Timney Trigger Install

[stavman11]

Just curious ...

Other than the drop-in convenience, why do folks pick the Timney, especially with the problems anchoring it in the 15-22? It seems to me that the FCGs on the AR pattern are a better choice.

Actualy anchoring is easy... just if ya Drill ta China like i did... well... ya get what ya get....LOL

I had just backed off my screws and never had an issue... saw that timney sent the plate for free so Got one and it works perfect


the Pull on the Timney is sweet.


My $.02

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Just curious ...

Other than the drop-in convenience, why do folks pick the Timney, especially with the problems anchoring it in the 15-22? It seems to me that the FCGs on the AR pattern are a better choice.

Drop-in convenience is the key... for me. I don't feel comfortable messing with the springs or grinding (polishing) the stock parts. For the same reason, I didn't want to try & install 3rd party components. My comfort level is to knock out the pins, trash the factory parts, drop in the module, insert pins & shoot. I don't want to adjust anything.

I would have rather had a CMC, as I have on my AR but I couldn't find any. Seems to me, the Timney gets just as good reviews. They just seem to use set screws to hold the module in place where CMC locks down the pins. From what I've seen, installing both, I bet you could install a Timney just like a CMC, without using the set screws, and just using anti-walk pins. I just decided in this case to use their screws but just not crank down on them.

My CMC is vastly superior to the stock trigger on my Stag. I'm betting the same with the Timney but will not dry fire it, so I'll let you know this weekend. So for me, easy install with a great trigger.

 

[AJB1228]

I wanted a CMC and they were out of stock for a while. So I went with the Timney. Also I only did it for the SSAR stock.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Ever since I installed the Timney, I have had at least one, and usually more FTF per magazine. I assume it was a light strike as I could see where the rim had been stuck. I was using CCI Mini-Mag Choot Em plus CCI Standard Velocity.

So I found the CMC trigger, that I originally wanted, and installed it & tested this afternoon. Shot 500 rounds of various types with no failures at all.

Has anyone else had issues with the Timney in a 15-22? The trigger feels the same as my CMC, which is very nice.

 

[stavman11]

Ever since I installed the Timney, I have had at least one, and usually more FTF per magazine. I assume it was a light strike as I could see where the hammer hit the rim. I was using CCI Mini-Mag Choot Em plus CCI Standard Velocity.

So I found the CMC trigger, that I originally wanted, and installed it & tested this afternoon. Shot 500 rounds of various types with no failures at all.

Has anyone else had issues with the Timney in a 15-22? The trigger feels the same as my CMC, which is very nice.

Not FTF... I have had some Failure to eject or Stove pipes.... but since S&W replaced my Firing pin and ejector, Ok so Just 1 range trip, No issues now

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Not FTF... I have had some Failure to eject or Stove pipes.... but since S&W replaced my Firing pin and ejector, Ok so Just 1 range trip, No issues now

A trigger wouldn't have anything to do with FTE or stove pipes... would it? I'm trying to see if anyone that has a Timney has had FTF.

 

[stavman11]

A trigger wouldn't have anything to do with FTE or stove pipes... would it? I'm trying to see if anyone that has a Timney has had FTF.

Check yer Firing pin....

That was My issue... It Broke....... was really surprised what it did do or NOT do when It was Busted.....

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Check yer Firing pin....

That was My issue... It Broke....... was really surprised what it did do or NOT do when It was Busted.....

As I said, I just shot 500 rounds with the CMC trigger with no issues. The Timney caused at least one FTF per magazine.

 

[Majorlk]

As I said, I just shot 500 rounds with the CMC trigger with no issues. The Timney caused at least one FTF per magazine.

Difference in hammer spring strength / hammer weight, possibly combined with a dirty firing pin channel?

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Difference in hammer spring strength / hammer weight, possibly combined with a dirty firing pin channel?

I have since seen one thread here plus others on AR forums where folks have had similar problems with the Timney, where they had to change out with a stronger hammer spring.

 

[erick1987]

I'm betting hammer weight. The timmney hammers look small to me. Like hitting a nail with a ball pean vs a sledge.

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[stavman11]

As I said, I just shot 500 rounds with the CMC trigger with no issues. The Timney caused at least one FTF per magazine.

uhhh duuu... Guess i cant read....

I wonder if that is some of the Issue... light Hammer spring... would that also cause Stove Pipes???? To fast of hammer not reseting in time to Fully eject the case...

hmmmmm

Now im thinking...


Anyone test with a heavier Hammer spring... wonder how much it would Change the Pull???

 

[Majorlk]

I wonder if that is some of the Issue... light Hammer spring... would that also cause Stove Pipes???? To fast of hammer not reseting in time to Fully eject the case...

Stovepipes are almost always cause by the bolt not fully retracting to eject the empty before starting forward into battery again. It's doubtful the hammer has anything to do with it, especially if the hammer/spring were too light.

Anyone test with a heavier Hammer spring... wonder how much it would Change the Pull???

The hammer spring has negligible effect upon the trigger pull of a properly adjusted quality trigger assembly.

 

[Lorelei]

I have since seen one thread here plus others on AR forums where folks have had similar problems with the Timney, where they had to change out with a stronger hammer spring.

What do you plan to do with the Timney now? If you're getting rid of it, I might be interested.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Stovepipes are almost always cause by the bolt not fully retracting to eject the empty before starting forward into battery again. It's doubtful the hammer has anything to do with it, especially if the hammer/spring were too light.

Logically, I agree. However, with the stock trigger I had no light strikes and almost no FTE or stovepipes. With the Timney, besides the FTF issue I had a bunch of Stovepipes and FTE while using the CCI Choot Em ammo. Made me wonder if my gun didn't like that brand. However, when we switched over to the CMC, not only did the FTF go away, the stovepipes did also.

We were shocked & I just don't understand the correlation. Using the exact same box of Choot Em, we had no issues while using the CMC... or several other types of ammo. Why would stovepipes & FTE go away with nothing more than a trigger change? I did not clean the gun between using each trigger.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

What do you plan to do with the Timney now? If you're getting rid of it, I might be interested.

Probably will get rid of it, as I just have an AR & a 15-22... both of which now have a CMC.

 

[Majorlk]

Logically, I agree. However, with the stock trigger I had no light strikes and almost no FTE or stovepipes. With the Timney, besides the FTF issue I had a bunch of Stovepipes and FTE while using the CCI Choot Em ammo. Made me wonder if my gun didn't like that brand. However, when we switched over to the CMC, not only did the FTF go away, the stovepipes did also.

We were shocked & I just don't understand the correlation. Using the exact same box of Choot Em, we had no issues while using the CMC... or several other types of ammo. Why would stovepipes & FTE go away with nothing more than a trigger change? I did not clean the gun between using each trigger.

It is a mystery, Jim ...

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Stovepipes are almost always cause by the bolt not fully retracting to eject the empty before starting forward into battery again. It's doubtful the hammer has anything to do with it, especially if the hammer/spring were too light.

I normally say the trigger group has nothing to do with ejection issues, but this situation has made me rethink this. So taking what you said, regarding the bolt not fully retracting, it causes me to think. Obviously, the trigger group is not an entity unto itself. It gets cocked while the bolt is retracting, after the gun is fired. So the trigger group is a component in the whole process of semi-auto fire and is a factor in slowing down the bolt's rearward travel.

Now I'm a printer/farmer and certainly no engineer or firearms expert, but is it possible the trigger group could actually cause stovepipes and FTE? It is causing influence on the bolt during its travel... correct? Since it is part of the whole process, why would it be any less of a possible cause of FTE as say bent/dirty bolt rails?

Just thinking out load & wonder if others really understand how a trigger group interacts with the bolt group?

 

[Majorlk]

Is it possible the Timney is misaligned?

 

[Csc57]

I went to gunmaster in Plano and the gun smith would not install the timney trigger so it was a waste of time. I'm getting a cmc trigger when I can find one. Btw: I won't be going back to gunsmith, they have triple the normal price for 22 lr ammo. 75 for a box of 375 mini mag cci. Not very friendly staff of really old guys. I found American ammo at Academy for $2 per box of 40.