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This follows the expansion of facilities on Guam along with getting new sites in the Philippines. And U.S. forces have had joint training with Australian forces. Japan is also involved in this buildup.

Putting it simply, the U.S. is committed to putting some hurt on China if the time comes.
 
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My Seabee dad served on Saipan and Tinian. 92nd NCB. He helped build the atomic bomb pits amongst his many tasks. Glad to see the airfield put back to use for the smaller aircraft. While some talk about flying B-52s from Tinian, the 8500-foot runways would be a severe limitation, and room for extension is near non-existent.
 
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Problem is, Peleliu isn't out of range of China these days.

A buddy of mine long ago was a B52 crew chief. They flew the 'Nam missions from somewhere much further away. Don't recall where, but lots & lots of blue water around. Besides length of runway, The Buffs need a lot thicker runway than a B29.
 
My father, then a USMC 2nd Lt and Japanese language interpreter, fought on Peleliu, now one of the islands of Palau, the world's fourth smallest nation and a tourist spot renowned for its diving.

I visited Palau in 1988, traveling from Tokyo via Guam with my then GF, now wife. She's Japanese. We stayed in a nice resort, enjoying a leisurely week of sun, sea and cocktails. Beautiful place with the clearest ocean water I've ever seen.

When I told my father where I'd been he was astounded that I had visited the place as a tourist. He said what he remembered was a godforsaken hellscape, so barren and ripped up with exposed coral that his boots were destroyed in a week.

My father later wrote in his memoirs that over a quarter of a century after the battle, in the early 1970s, after he had retired, he knew a guy whose uncle was the famous Chesty Puller, then a colonel and commander of the 1st Marine Regiment on Peleliu. The guy mentioned to his uncle that my dad had been with him on the island. "Ah," said Puller. "Peleliu. A rough one."
 
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It might take some engineering....

SMSgt said:
My Seabee dad served on Saipan and Tinian. 92nd NCB. He helped build the atomic bomb pits amongst his many tasks. Glad to see the airfield put back to use for the smaller aircraft. While some talk about flying B-52s from Tinian, the 8500-foot runways would be a severe limitation, and room for extension is near non-existent.
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...but I'm sure they could extend the existing or build new runways if necessary. They are bound to need some upgrading anyway.

And a note. The Pacific and the Middle East are looking pretty volatile.
 
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This kind of thing could be really beneficial. Way back when I attended a NATO school that taught some classes about the theory of deterrence. They taught there were two basic types. The first one, the more familiar one, is called deterrence by retribution. To wit: "If you do this, we will do this to you, and it will really hurt you. The price you pay will be much too great for what you might gain." The nuclear deterrence of MAD is a good example. The second type is more subtle, but can be much better. It is called deterrence by dissuasion. That means you set up conditions on the ground that convey to the enemy his plan will fail to meet its objectives. In other words, there's no point in him attacking, because what you have done makes it so much harder for him to succeed. Hopefully, bloodshed may even be avoided. Most experts think China might well want to de-fang America in the Pacific a little to make it harder to counter an invasion or blockade of Taiwan. This type of spreading out and upgrading bases could well work as dissuasion deterrence.
 
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...but I'm sure they could extend the existing or build new runways if necessary. They are bound to need some upgrading anyway.

And a note. The Pacific and the Middle East are looking pretty volatile.
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If you look at the north airfield on Tinian, the old WWII runways already extend to the ocean on either end. The ocean bottom drops off very quickly beyond the beaches, like Marianas Trench deep. All B-52 bases generally have runways of 12,000-13,000 feet in length. The runways on Guam are 10,500-11,000 feet long, but then they're about five hundred feet above the ocean at the end of the runway, not a few feet above the water like Tinian. A Buff can certainly takeoff in a shorter distance, but not with full fuel and weapons. It would take a whole lot of filling in to extend the Tinian runways. The runways are laid out E-W direction for prevailing winds. The only option for "new" runways would be to make them more N-S. But they are clearing and upgrading the old ones.
 
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SMSgt said:
My Seabee dad served on Saipan and Tinian. 92nd NCB. He helped build the atomic bomb pits amongst his many tasks. Glad to see the airfield put back to use for the smaller aircraft. While some talk about flying B-52s from Tinian, the 8500-foot runways would be a severe limitation, and room for extension is near non-existent.
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I wonder how the re-engined B-52 would do on a runway of that length. Also, are they making the runways deep enough to take a B-52, or worse, the B-1B. The Bone is well known as a runway breaker. 8500 feet sounds like plenty for F-15s and the new B-21.
 
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Just a thought. Everyone seems to be talking about
airplanes, bombers. What about missiles? Many more
launch pad sites? Shorter flight response than from continental
U.S. Also as submarine bases less accessible to foes.
 
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I wonder how the re-engined B-52 would do on a runway of that length. Also, are they making the runways deep enough to take a B-52, or worse, the B-1B. The Bone is well known as a runway breaker. 8500 feet sounds like plenty for F-15s and the new B-21.
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There isn't a real power/performance increase with the new "J" engines. The advantages lie primarily in them being "smokeless" and much more fuel efficient. The engines are also claimed to have a much longer overhaul time, possibly longer than the lifespan of the bomber. So less maintenance costs.
 
Clark is now a civilian airport, but that could change in a hurry. Subic is still military. At least we don't have to build an entire island(s), like some have.
 
UncleEd said:
This follows the expansion of facilities on Guam along with getting new sites in the Philippines. And U.S. forces have had joint training with Australian forces. Japan is also involved in this buildup.

Putting it simply, the U.S. is committed to putting some hurt on China if the time comes.
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Si vis pacem para bellum...
 
I think if we have to use Tinian and Peleiau we are SOL. I mean we only have 2 B29's flying, "Doc" and "Fifi"
 
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UncleEd said:
This follows the expansion of facilities on Guam along with getting new sites in the Philippines. And U.S. forces have had joint training with Australian forces. Japan is also involved in this buildup.

Putting it simply, the U.S. is committed to putting some hurt on China if the time comes.
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Why would the US get into a fight with China? China owns, us.

The US IS NOT going to fight a near peer enemy, especially when the near peer can/will cause casualties the American public will not tolerate. That's China and Russia. Besides, who is going to fight, GenZ?! Yeah, good luck with that!

Just remember, in Afghanistan, it took 20 years, 4 Pres. Admins., $3-4 Trillion dollars and tens of thousands of lives for the US to replace the Taliban with... the Taliban! Am I wrong?

Who benefited from all that? US .gov contractors.

Endless, perpetual, wars it's what the US does! War, our economy depends on it!
 
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Appeasement kills.

The only obstacles keeping China from just taking the West Philippine Sea in spite of the International Tribunal of the Sea ruling Filipinos own it are the US Navy, Philippines Navy, and the Austrailian Navy. Russia would take Ukraine but for NATO, the EU, and us, with EU providing 2x more in financial resources than us.

The reason for so many military contractors is we have volunteer armed forces - we could always just draft young people because it's much cheaper, I guess. In the civilian realm we have roughly the same number of Federal employees we had in the Reagan Era - we have 110 million more citizens than in the 80s.

It's much easier to criticize than to do anything.
 
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biku324 said:
Appeasement kills.
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Who said anything about appeasement? I'm just calling it like I see it.

biku324 said:
The only obstacles keeping China from just taking the West Philippine Sea in spite of the International Tribunal of the Sea ruling Filipinos own it are the US Navy, Philippines Navy, and the Austrailian Navy.
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You actually think China cares about the International Tribunal of the Sea? Really?! China is going to do what it wants. It's not afraid of the current admin and it doesn't take those in charge seriously. and why would they? Look at the "leadership"!

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Russia would take Ukraine but for NATO, the EU, and us, with EU providing 2x more in financial resources than us.
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Let's be real. Russia is going to grind Ukraine down. NATO and the US aren't going to do much more. Russia is going to end the war on its terms. This is as Russia builds the 2nd largest army in the world. Then, what?

You think Western Europe has the military or stomach for war with Russia?

This is going to be a multipolar would, and the US is NOT going to be the top dog. BRICS is going to kill the Dollar.

biku324 said:
The reason for so many military contractors is we have volunteer armed forces - we could always just draft young people because it's much cheaper, I guess. In the civilian realm we have roughly the same number of Federal employees we had in the Reagan Era - we have 110 million more citizens than in the 80s.
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War is a racket. Military contractors LOVE perpetual war as they make money. Then they send some of that money to politicians who then vote for more funding for more weapons to keep the conflicts going. The cycle continues.

Out of all the conflicts the US has been involved in since Korea, who has benefitted the most? Military contractors. Who pays, besides the tax payers? Young men and civilians. Old men make war, young men die.

biku324 said:
It's much easier to criticize than to do anything.
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I'm not criticizing, I'm telling the truth.

What would you have me do? Tell me.

Endless, perpetual, wars it's what the US does! War, our economy depends on it!

Tell me I'm wrong in ANYTHING I stated.
 
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You are wrong in everything you said, both in my experience and opinion. It's a free country, so no big deal.

My suggestion to younger people is that they travel internationally, and work internationally if possible. It certainly helps to understand world issues with clarity born of experience.

At the end of the day, it is a fool's folly to believe that all other countries' leaders are will leave us alone if we hide behind two oceans.
 
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