Yeah, what he said . . .
Tips for a new CCW holder?
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Yeah, what he said . . .
fredj338
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No. Drawing a gun in uniform is an extension of your police powers, may possibly be used to gain complance. No one will yell gun or call more cops on you. Yes, armed ccw totally diff than uniformed leo, but you know that.
fredj338
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Pretty sure use of deadly force is pretty much the same on most states. Pulling ypur gun means you are pretty much at zero options, Your attacker doesnt comply, what try to put it away & use something less lethal? Come on mug, you have had escalation of force training as a leo, you know this. Yes if I am deploying a deadly weapon I am most likely preparing to use it as I have run out of less lethal options.
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Gene L
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...to the Forum.
No idea what ‘HCP’ means.
Consider tucking your shirt...then no reason to tug on it.
If your driving challenge is comfort related, try your carry position closer to 9:00 o’clock. To me 7:30 is way too far back.
Lastly, do NOT think your gun is the only tool in your toolbox. Make good decisions...use of your gun should be your very last resort.
Be safe.
Don't know, but figure HCP stands for handgun concealed permit. I carry at about 3 or 4 O'clock, and I agree that 7:30 is way to far, if your 7:30 and mine are the same. Unless your left handed, even then it's pretty much behind you.
Good luck, and keep your powder dry.
As to producing your gun as a civilian, I believe it's a near-last-resort measure. As a former LEO, I produced my revolver a number of times, but only once re-actively, and didn't use it then. For me, now a civilian, a gun is not designed to be a threat, it's a salvation in extreme situations...of which I've never been as a civilian.
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You (generic you) long ago...
...ran out of most options once it gets to the point your gun is presented.
That said, most (ALL in my experience) stop what bad behaviors in which they are engaged once they see a gun pointed at them.
It’s rather like telling someone what they must do. Let’s say you tell someone to exit their vehicle. Either they do it or you make them do it. Non-negotiable. Period.
It was taught as ‘command presence’ and was essential to one’s well being...and those to whom it was addressed. Worked for me.
Be safe.
...ran out of most options once it gets to the point your gun is presented.
That said, most (ALL in my experience) stop what bad behaviors in which they are engaged once they see a gun pointed at them.
It’s rather like telling someone what they must do. Let’s say you tell someone to exit their vehicle. Either they do it or you make them do it. Non-negotiable. Period.
It was taught as ‘command presence’ and was essential to one’s well being...and those to whom it was addressed. Worked for me.
Be safe.
As a legally concealed carrier you have an obligation to always maintain the moral high ground by avoiding road rage and the idiots that practice it, and not getting involved in anything w/your gun that you would have avoided without a gun.
I think by now with all the postering and back and forth that the OP is now thoroughly confused. 
Obviously he’s not a cop and probably not a competitive shooter.
Is it more important that we try to one up each other? Or help the OP? Get with the program gents.
Obviously he’s not a cop and probably not a competitive shooter.
Is it more important that we try to one up each other? Or help the OP? Get with the program gents.
oink
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LOL, I went through a short field training program at the 3rd agency I worked at and it was pretty much "Wear your hat or I'll have to write you up". All others were pretty much as you described. The last one I did sort of ride with another guy for part of a week but even then when calls backed up I was dropped off to handle a domestic violence call while he went to another call. I got picked back up a little later with my arrestee. That probably wouldn't fly now days.
A: It's "Mr. Muggins" to you.
2: I was taught, regularly, often, and by more than one trainer, that the Use of Force Continuum is akin to a window that opens and closes, often without warning, and which at times gets stuck at various levels for a bit before moving rapidly one way or the other. As a result, one has to be able to instantly evaluate and react to the constant changes in the level of force needed. But you know all about LEO training, so you already knew that.
2: I was taught, regularly, often, and by more than one trainer, that the Use of Force Continuum is akin to a window that opens and closes, often without warning, and which at times gets stuck at various levels for a bit before moving rapidly one way or the other. As a result, one has to be able to instantly evaluate and react to the constant changes in the level of force needed. But you know all about LEO training, so you already knew that.
...put the ‘quick draw’ practice low on your list of priorities.
KNOWING ‘WHEN’ TO SHOOT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT!
Have carried a gun professionally and as an armed citizen for now more than forty-five (45!) years. In that time I have used a handgun more times than I can recall. Seriously.
(BTW, don’t even think about listening to anyone who says something like: ‘If you pull your gun it’s only to destroy something.’)
Never ever a ‘quick draw’ scenario...my gun ‘appeared’ when I needed it. Observation and awareness were my keys to success.
Might not be explaining this properly but I know what is going on in my instant world...wherever I am. And I am one who is regularly out and about in the world.. I like people, big cities, events, sports, etc.
Be safe.
I think needing to access your weapon quickly could factor in. It's for the same reasons why carrying with an empty chamber could prove problematic. There's plenty of videos on Active Self-Protection's channel showing it. A big reason why I carry a snub with full grips is how quickly and reliabily I can get it into play.
Situational awareness is great, but it won't always be enough to give you the desired time and distance, otherwise you wouldn't need to engage at all. Civilian defense encounters usually don't have a whole lot in common with most police engagements.
JJEH
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Congrats on getting the license. Now buy the best gun, -parts, ammo, gear and training you can afford!
You can easily conceal a full size gun iwb with the right gear. Leather, kydex, whatever. Try and see what works best for you. Off duty I prefer to carry concealed. I utilize iwb, belly band and ankle holsters.
You'll have a drawer full of holsters rather sooner than later, it's a lot of trial and error in finding what works best. What works for me might not work for someone else.
Always carry, familiarize yourself with the gun constantly, dry fire, don't get cocky, for serious training you will have to travel, get books about conceal carry and laws, don't buy into any kind of hype (be it pro carry or anti), do not try to be a hero and only draw your gun if you intend to use it and never to show off!
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flagman1776
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Whether in street clothes or uniform... learn how to take a dump... with a gun on you. Don't put it on the toilet tank where it can be forgotten. (I saw a police Chief in the news recently who had her gun stolen that way.)
Don't hang it by the trigger guard from the coat hook... not only can it be forgotten but it's possible to bump the trigger... and sometimes a ND occurs. We don't want to read about you!
OWB I tended to leave it holstered. Do be aware of unknown persons in the next stall... there have been cases of grab-n-run and you're in no condition to chase after them. When I'm done, I back up to stall wall to hold the pants belt & etc while I secure the buckles.
IWB same, I try to leave it place if possible. With most rigs, I can lift the belt, holster & secured weapon in my strong hand.
When I was in training, it was suggested to put the gun in your pulled down pants, between your feet if you have to unholster. Don't drop it in the commode! Please no ND in stall.
Don't hang it by the trigger guard from the coat hook... not only can it be forgotten but it's possible to bump the trigger... and sometimes a ND occurs. We don't want to read about you!
OWB I tended to leave it holstered. Do be aware of unknown persons in the next stall... there have been cases of grab-n-run and you're in no condition to chase after them. When I'm done, I back up to stall wall to hold the pants belt & etc while I secure the buckles.
IWB same, I try to leave it place if possible. With most rigs, I can lift the belt, holster & secured weapon in my strong hand.
When I was in training, it was suggested to put the gun in your pulled down pants, between your feet if you have to unholster. Don't drop it in the commode! Please no ND in stall.
Dvan34
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Welcome to the club! A lot of great information has been shared here. One item that I haven't seen mentioned is …keep your Concealed Carry to yourself. I don't mention it to anyone, even close friends other than my wife and children, and to them only once. They don't know if I carry everyday or how often. So Good luck! Stay safe!
dougb1946
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Get a really good gun belt. The comfort difference is surprising. Carry your wallet on your off side, so getting it doesn't put your hand near the gun.
Don't worry about exposing it too much. Most people do not see. Unless you carry an AK painted blaze orange in a sling, most people won't see your gun.
If stopped by police while driving, try to have your paperwork out before the cop gets to you. Do not greet the cop by announcing "I have a gun"and digging for it. Hands on the wheel.
Don't dwell on the subject. After 2 or 3 years, you won't even think about it.
Don't worry about exposing it too much. Most people do not see. Unless you carry an AK painted blaze orange in a sling, most people won't see your gun.
If stopped by police while driving, try to have your paperwork out before the cop gets to you. Do not greet the cop by announcing "I have a gun"and digging for it. Hands on the wheel.
Don't dwell on the subject. After 2 or 3 years, you won't even think about it.
I carried 24/365 for over 21 years, and only while hiking or horse backing since. My advice would be to leave it at home unless you have a special risk. A gun on you is mostly more trouble than it's worth. And I have folks that wouldn't mind me dying a slow, horrible painful death who are finally back on the street (but much, much older 
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A woman with a restraining order against an ex should ALWAYS carry.
).A woman with a restraining order against an ex should ALWAYS carry.
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Doug M.
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Get training. Travel for it if needed. Get good training on law, tactics, and weapon proficiency. Never stop learning.
The firearm is a tool, nothing more. Mindset likely matters more. Be alert and perceptive - if something does not look right, it isn't. Get out of there before something might happen that requires a gun. Being armed is not a basis for going to dumb places, associating with dumb people, or acting like a donkey.
Buy a copy of "Left of Bang", read it, read it again, and read it some more. Buy this book CAP - In Defense of Self and Others . . .: Issues, Facts & Fallacies -- The Realities of Law Enforcement's Use of Deadly Force, Third Edition (9781611636826). Authors: Urey W. Patrick, John C. Hall. Carolina Academic Press. Read it, read it again, and read it some more. While intended to address the realities of defensive use of force for LE, and thus not directly on point as to private citizen situations, the understandings of ballistics and tactical reality (like the fact that self-defense is preemptive, and how tight the time constraints are) are things you need to know, and know BEFORE you actually get to a use of force scenario.
The firearm is a tool, nothing more. Mindset likely matters more. Be alert and perceptive - if something does not look right, it isn't. Get out of there before something might happen that requires a gun. Being armed is not a basis for going to dumb places, associating with dumb people, or acting like a donkey.
Buy a copy of "Left of Bang", read it, read it again, and read it some more. Buy this book CAP - In Defense of Self and Others . . .: Issues, Facts & Fallacies -- The Realities of Law Enforcement's Use of Deadly Force, Third Edition (9781611636826). Authors: Urey W. Patrick, John C. Hall. Carolina Academic Press. Read it, read it again, and read it some more. While intended to address the realities of defensive use of force for LE, and thus not directly on point as to private citizen situations, the understandings of ballistics and tactical reality (like the fact that self-defense is preemptive, and how tight the time constraints are) are things you need to know, and know BEFORE you actually get to a use of force scenario.
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I've read this book, and can second the recommendation.
On the subject of books, I'd also recommend The Gift of Fear by Gavin deBecker and Defensive Living by Dave Spaulding and Ed Lovette.
I carried 24/365 for over 21 years, and only while hiking or horse backing since. My advice would be to leave it at home unless you have a special risk. A gun on you is mostly more trouble than it's worth. And I have folks that wouldn't mind me dying a slow, horrible painful death who are finally back on the street (but much, much older
A woman with a restraining order against an ex should ALWAYS carry.
No disrespect intended but I disagree w/this advise. I carried 24/7 for 30 years b/c it was required and have carried in the 20 + years since retirement. You cannot predict when you might need a gun and there have been a couple of times in retirement when I was glad to have it. Like I said in a previous post, mind your own business, don’t respond to road rage AND don’t get into anything w/your weapon that you wouldn’t if unarmed.
fredj338
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I carried 24/365 for over 21 years, and only while hiking or horse backing since. My advice would be to leave it at home unless you have a special risk. A gun on you is mostly more trouble than it's worth. And I have folks that wouldn't mind me dying a slow, horrible painful death who are finally back on the street (but much, much older
A woman with a restraining order against an ex should ALWAYS carry.
Yes ccw is a hassle but so is getting shot at a walmart or stabbed to death getting gas in garden grove. In todays increasing crazies, homeless & criminal element, carrying more often seems better than less often.
