To those of you with suppressors

[RedNeck Jim]

ok so why exactly do you need to do a trust?

No "need" to do a trust. However, if a properly set up trust or corporation purchases the suppressor & does the form 4, then there is no longer a requirement to get fingerprinted or get approval from your sheriff. Another advantage of going this way is that multiple people can share/use the suppressor... depending on what folks are listed as officers. Keep in mind, with these devices, you have very strict requirements about traveling out of state & you better have a copy of your form with it at all times.

One great feature of the 22Sparrow is that the serial number is on the outer tube, which is protected by the half tubes from lead & carbon debris. Also this outer tube has no threads that are vulnerable to cross threading. What makes this so important is if you ever need to ship your suppressor for repair, you don't have to go thru all the paperwork of transferring the suppressor to the recipient. Just keep the outer tube in your possession & ship the interior components... no paperwork at all. When these folks upgraded to stainless steel, this system allowed users to purchase an upgrade with no paperwork to the government & no delays. IMO, since all suppressors have a certain life, this is an important consideration.

 

[Macinaw]

I'm guessing 1975. My last suppressor (received in December) took about 9 months.

Yes; this was about 3 years ago.

 

[Stantonhog]

ok so why exactly do you need to do a trust?i understand the BATF stamp but what is the trust for?i want to add a suppressor to my 15-22 as well but dont get the trust thing.the stamp form BATF is $200 but the LGS said the lawyer they suggested charges $300 to do the trust so now you are at $500 and you dont even have the suppressor yet.BTW to those waiting for the BATF to process your paperwork,i read an artical yesterday that said they are all caught up now and processing class 3 stuff on 5-7 days.i wanted to make my own suppressor but apparently in Florida you have to have a FFL to make one.ive seen youtube vids from guys who made them but they were in different states and they said making them for personal use varies from state to state.

The article you are referring to was an April fools joke on thetruthaboutguns.com. About the only way the batf could catch up on the backlog and get processing down to 5-7 days would just be to deny all applications, so it wouldn't be good news anyway.

 

[KEN L]

i wanted to make my own suppressor but apparently in Florida you have to have a FFL to make one.

Where did you get this information? Why would you need an FFL if BATFE doesn't require it?? Because it's not true. If you can provide the Florida statute it would be appreciated. Me thinks you should verify your facts before posting.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

i wanted to make my own suppressor but apparently in Florida you have to have a FFL to make one.ive seen youtube vids from guys who made them but they were in different states and they said making them for personal use varies from state to state.

Maybe, but the main consideration is federal law. A homemade suppressor has to be registered & controlled no different than a commercially made one. Before you do a single thing in making your own suppressor, you have to submit a form1 with the $200 & await receipt of the stamp. You CAN NOT even start building one without the stamp, and when built, you have the same transfer rules associated with any suppressor.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Advantages of a trust is that you don't need CLEO signature and you can hand down your class 3 stuff to your kids (whomever) you put on the trust.

I use CCI SV for many reasons... it's reliable, reasonably accurate and has NEVER gone supersonic in my rifles. But the most important reason is that it's among the least expensive SV ammo on the market. I agree with Strobro32. Remington subsonic is consistently inconsistent. They will either go supersonic and cycle my 15-22 or will stay subsonic and not cycle.

I've had a YHM Wraith for a couple years. No first round pop, very quiet low tone. It's a larger diameter than most rimfire cans (1.25'') so it's not one to get if you want to use pistol sights. It took three months from time of mailing to get my tax stamp two years ago. I sent in paperwork on a Sparrow in February. From what I am hearing it's going to be a much longer wait.

 

[azsun3]

I'm new to the world of suppressors and maybe this is a stupid question, but why's it so difficult to purchase one of these? It seems to make sense for home defense to have a suppressor on your gun so in the middle of the night you don't blow your eardrums out if you have to use it. can you get a suppressor for a 9 mm? Is there a link that would show someone the best way to purchase one of these in their state?

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I'm new to the world of suppressors and maybe this is a stupid question, but why's it so difficult to purchase one of these? It seems to make sense for home defense to have a suppressor on your gun so in the middle of the night you don't blow your eardrums out if you have to use it. can you get a suppressor for a 9 mm? Is there a link that would show someone the best way to purchase one of these in their state?

It is not difficult to purchase one... it just takes extra steps & time. Why? Because it is the law & I guess the government doesn't want ninja assassins shooting folks from cover. Me, I just want to be able to shoot on my 20 acre homestead without bothering the wife, neighbors or horses. I understand in parts of Europe, suppressors are required so that you don't bother others.

Google suppressors & you will find all the info you need. There are a couple of forums that discuss only that product.

When you purchase one, lots of time you can get them cheaper online, however expect extra delays. Your paperwork, Form 4, cannot be submitted until the class 3 dealer you will be using has it in their possession. They have to go thru the transfer paperwork & delay to transfer the suppressor from one to the other. Quickest way (not necessarily the cheapest way) to get a suppressor is to purchase one from a local class 3 dealer, that has it in stock. They will help with the paperwork & once you purchase it, you can submit your Form 4 immediately.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I like these folks.

They know what they are doing, have a ton of class3 dealers in their system already, and don't play games. They will keep you updated on the ATF transfer from them to your class3, then let you know when they ship it to your class3. They are easily reached by phone if you have any questions and know what they are talking about. The have very competitive prices.

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1.Decide on which can you want.

2.Buy it from online dealer.

3.Select which class3 dealer in your area you want it shipped to.

4.Online dealer will then handle all paperwork to get it transferred to your class3 dealer.

5.Once transferred (2 to 4 weeks) the online dealer will then ship it to your class3 dealer.

6.You and your class3 dealer complete the paperwork to transfer the can to you. Class3 dealer usually charges $50 around here. Maybe more in other areas.

7.Send paperwork to ATF along with a $200 check.

8.Wait.

9.Get call from your class3 dealer that your tax stamp has arrived.

10.Feel like a kid on Christmas morning!

 

[Xtasy]

Reading through the thread I think that the whole ATF tax stamp think is pretty much just a rip off
But I guess how it is right now we can be happy if they don't take away your toothbrush

 

[acropora]

Where did you get this information? Why would you need an FFL if BATFE doesn't require it?? Because it's not true. If you can provide the Florida statute it would be appreciated. Me thinks you should verify your facts before posting.

my LGS said i had to have a FFL but they could just be saying this so i buy one from them.i plan on asking the BATF about this so i know FOR SURE.i dont plan on being arrested and doing federal prison time for lack of research.

 

[acropora]

Maybe, but the main consideration is federal law. A homemade suppressor has to be registered & controlled no different than a commercially made one. Before you do a single thing in making your own suppressor, you have to submit a form1 with the $200 & await receipt of the stamp. You CAN NOT even start building one without the stamp, and when built, you have the same transfer rules associated with any suppressor.

this is exactly why i plan on asking the BATF about the legality of making one.i would NEVER attempt to make one without knowing for sure i can legally do so and would have my class 3 stamp before even buying the materials to do so.i know IF i were able to make one it would have to have serial numbers and be under the same rules as any other suppressor.

 

[farmerjohn]

Get the Spectre II. I was torn and the lack of first round pop on the Spectre sold me. I think its a tad quieter on the 15-22 as well.

Run mine on a 4.5" barrel, could not be happier.

Has anyone gotten a Spectre II latley . I ordered one on Nov 25 and the dealer hasn't gotten it yet or so he says,starting to wonder if it has come in and has been sold to someone else . I already have a YHM Phanton and the dealer told me there is no need for a trust that I could pass the suppressor to my son with out any paper work in Va .

 

[Anchor]

Have a Gemtech G5-22 on S&W 15-22. Quiet with CCI standard velocity and extremely quiet with CCI sub sonic. Purchased a year ago and took seven months to clear ATF.

 

[Skunkhome]

what I was thinking also

That was the first thought in my mind also. Always be aware of your backstop.

 

[jkc]

Reading through the thread I think that the whole ATF tax stamp think is pretty much just a rip off

It's not as much of a rip-off now, as it was originally intended to be --- the only authority Congress has to regulate the sale of suppressors, full auto weapons, "destructive devices" and so forth, arises from the so-called "commerce clause" in the constitution, allowing Congress to regulate, and tax goods moving in interstate commerce. This was the ploy used by Congress when it passed the National Firearms Act, circa 1935, when it wanted to "do something" to keep Tommy Guns, Ithaca Auto & Burglar and similar sawn-off shotguns, and similar weapons, out of the hands of "gangsters" and bank robbers of the era. The $200 tax at that time was exorbitant, and intended to discourage the legal trade in such devices, and provide a mechanism to prosecute violators, by the same "revenoors" as persecuted moonshiners and rumrunners. It's still a rip-off, in the sense that BATFE is so glacially slow in processing Form Four transfer applications that it makes the VA or IRS seem models of streamlined efficiency by comparison...

 

[Blaster22]

You are shooting a rifle with a house in the background? Seriously?

Careful. Last time I commented on someone's gun safety behavior here, I was told to **** and MYOB.

 

[HRArms]

this is exactly why i plan on asking the BATF about the legality of making one.i would NEVER attempt to make one without knowing for sure i can legally do so and would have my class 3 stamp before even buying the materials to do so.i know IF i were able to make one it would have to have serial numbers and be under the same rules as any other suppressor.

Get a FFL with the Class 3 manufacturer option. Don't remember the class of FFL now, but for an additional $500 per year, you can manufacture use and sell as many suppressors and SBRs as you want. If you decide to not renew your manufacturing license, you get to keep any stock without paying the $200 transfer tax.

 

[gordon21]

Suppressor: Get a Silencerco Sparrow Stainless. Pay the extra $50 and get the best one on the market. See numerous reviews as to why this is true.

Dealer: Learn from my mistake. Do NOT buy from a dealer that does not have one in stock RIGHT NOW. If your LGS says he will order one, that could take 2-4 MONTHS for him to get it. THEN you send your form 4 off and wait another 3-9 months. If you buy one, you should be able to get the serial number at time of purchase. If they can't give you a serial number for your form 4, that means they don't have it in stock and they will be ordering it. See above. 2-4 month wait. If you drop $400 on the counter or a phone call, you better have the serial # at the end of the transaction. You have been warned.

CLEO: free and simple in most parts of the country
Trust: far better long term solution but can run $300-500 and for some of you that may be the ONLY short term solution.

 

[telero]

Get a FFL with the Class 3 manufacturer option. Don't remember the class of FFL now, but for an additional $500 per year, you can manufacture use and sell as many suppressors and SBRs as you want. If you decide to not renew your manufacturing license, you get to keep any stock without paying the $200 transfer tax.

I don't even know where to start with how much is wrong with what you just said...

Class 3 isn't a manufacturing option. It's a Title II (NFA firearms) dealer option (SOT - Special Occupation Tax) that could be added to a number of FFL dealer types (most commonly Type 1). You could also add it to a Type 7 FFL, but the Type 7 is a Title 1 manufacturer/dealer license. You'd probably want to add a Class 2 SOT to a Type 7 so you could also manufacture Title II (NFA) firearms. Just adding an SOT 3 to a type 7 would allow you to manufacture Title I firearms and only deal Title II (not manufacture Title II).

The part about keeping your items tax free after you stop being a manufacturer...that doesn't sound quite right to me either, but I don't know the specifics. I do know that if you get your manufacuter/dealer license and SOT for the purpose of getting around the taxes, you'll find yourself in a world of hurt when the ATF finds out. You need to be actively engaging in business.

There are also more fees than you might realize. ITAR Registration (Internation Traffic in Arms Regulations) will cost over $2000 alone.

Best bet, just pay the $200 per silencer and wait the 6-9 months to get it.

Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License