Top Break Loading suggestions.

Skip Sackett

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While I watched all of those same cowboy movies growing up most of you did one thing I noticed really bothered me. "Weren't there any other handguns back then?" I would always ask.

As I got older, I found out about the Model 3s and the Russian's and American's and other Smiths. I was elated to say the least!

Well, like many of you, I can't afford to own a firearm that you can't shoot. I loved the way that those heavy caliber top break revolvers worked and looked. WAY ahead of their time, in my opinion.

Well, my first attempt at owning one was buying an Uberti, Schofield copy with a 5" barrel. While fit and function were acceptable, I could hardly stand to shoot the thing. Mine was chambered in 45 Colt. I loaded them on the light side but still, they were punishing on my hand.

You see, I have gorilla hands and the but of both the Scofield copies and Colt clones hits my right above the edge muscle. That means the the entire bottom of the grip was covered with this part of my hand. If I tried to rest it on something, say a table, upon firing, I would almost throw the thing it hurt so much.

I sold that. Still had the longing for a period copy of one of the top breaks though. No one had one of the "Russian" clones in stock that I could put my hands on to see how they would fit, that is until today.

On the way back from the Indy 1500 Gun Show I stopped at a "podunk" gun shop and man, did I get a surprise. They absolutely have everything!

I tried one and it fits much better!

Well, Uberti, in conjunction with Beretta, has made a copy of the Russian and made it in 38spl. I think for me, that is a win/win. Not quite period authentic but very practical as I load for the 38spl already!

What I was wondering was what loads my friends from the forum would think would be acceptable for this firearm.

It has some safety features not found on other clones. I can carry it with a live round under the hammer, cool!

Fit and finish on it is wonderful, even if I did have to take the counter model. Usually I ask for one that is in the back that isn't all bumped around. They said they didn't have any more.

It's late as I post this but I will get some pictures of it tomorrow and post them.

In my mind, it should take any current 38spl load with no problem.

What say you!
 
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I am an odd ball. (And everybody said: "AMEN")
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While I watched all of those same cowboy movies growing up most of you did one thing I noticed really bothered me. "Weren't there any other handguns back then?" I would always ask.

As I got older, I found out about the Model 3s and the Russian's and American's and other Smiths. I was elated to say the least!

Well, like many of you, I can't afford to own a firearm that you can't shoot. I loved the way that those heavy caliber top break revolvers worked and looked. WAY ahead of their time, in my opinion.

Well, my first attempt at owning one was buying an Uberti, Schofield copy with a 5" barrel. While fit and function were acceptable, I could hardly stand to shoot the thing. Mine was chambered in 45 Colt. I loaded them on the light side but still, they were punishing on my hand.

You see, I have gorilla hands and the but of both the Scofield copies and Colt clones hits my right above the edge muscle. That means the the entire bottom of the grip was covered with this part of my hand. If I tried to rest it on something, say a table, upon firing, I would almost throw the thing it hurt so much.

I sold that. Still had the longing for a period copy of one of the top breaks though. No one had one of the "Russian" clones in stock that I could put my hands on to see how they would fit, that is until today.

On the way back from the Indy 1500 Gun Show I stopped at a "podunk" gun shop and man, did I get a surprise. They absolutely have everything!

I tried one and it fits much better!

Well, Uberti, in conjunction with Beretta, has made a copy of the Russian and made it in 38spl. I think for me, that is a win/win. Not quite period authentic but very practical as I load for the 38spl already!

What I was wondering was what loads my friends from the forum would think would be acceptable for this firearm.

It has some safety features not found on other clones. I can carry it with a live round under the hammer, cool!

Fit and finish on it is wonderful, even if I did have to take the counter model. Usually I ask for one that is in the back that isn't all bumped around. They said they didn't have any more.

It's late as I post this but I will get some pictures of it tomorrow and post them.

In my mind, it should take any current 38spl load with no problem.

What say you!
 
In my mind, it should take any current 38spl load with no problem.
Probably, but in my mind such a reproduction gun cries out for medium-heavy lead bullets and medium powders loaded for accuracy, not top power.
I want to see that puff of lube smoke and the smudge of carbon on the hole in the target.
 
Well,
This thread isn't getting much publicity!
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Thanks for your input OKFC!

I am leaning to some 160gr LSWC loads in the 800fps range myself.

Maybe I'll try the "Miracle Powder", SR4756 in this baby! (Just not "THE LOAD"
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Here is an impromptu picture of the firearm.

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I haven't slugged the barrel yet but the throats all go right at .358" If I don't size the first driving band of my H&G 290BB SWC it comes from the mold @ .359". The front driving band will hit the throat and give some resistance so the bullet can obturate.

I haven't slugged the bore yet. Seeing as the cylinder is attached to the barrel and it being brand new, I didn't want to take it apart to do that. I know I don't have to but......

At any rate, I am looking forward to shooting this jewel. I hope it is accurate.

Oh, yeah, I thought I would try one of my "L" frame speed loaders and see if it would work for this baby, it won't. The bullet circle center-line is too small in the loader. I don't have a Colt double action revolver but was wondering if it's diameter is larger than the "L" frame. Maybe I need to try an "N" frame loader to see if it will work.

Just posting some information as I do a little testing!
 
I too have one of the Beretta Laramies in .38; the action and trigger on mine are wonderful. I've had good luck with 4.0 grains of Win 231, CCI 500 primer, and a Hornady 158 grain LRN. The only other loads I've put through it have been 148 grain wadcutters with Bullseye or Unique, but I prefer the LRN.
 
Well, It's dirty now!
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Here are some results from a hurried shooting session. The wife and I went to the indoor range tonight after work expecting the youngest daughter to be late from school track practice. She has a head cold and the coach told her to go home, she can't on her own so we had to stop and go get her, hence the short session. The coach was worried about the wind and all. Of course, her and her mother took the advantage to go to Walmart though!
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Here is a picture of the preliminary results. I need to do more. The rounds, other than the 3.5gr of Bullseye, are just some I have had around for a while and need the cases empty. Maybe I will try again tomorrow night!
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Good potential there from the heavier bullets. I will have to work on loads for this gun!
 
Originally posted by DougE:
Very nice !!!!
Looks like it's going to be a fun project
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Thanks Doug!

Yes, I believe it will be fun. My first concerns about my gorilla hand and how this firearm would fit in in and feel during recoil have been alleviated. This baby is a cream puff to handle. The heft of the firearm being right under the barrel/frame joint make recoil minimal.

It needs "broke in" but that is a joyous chore!

I do need someone's help though. Someone that has a speed loader for an "N" frame Smith. All I need is a measurement. Now, this isn't the perfect way to do this but it is "close enough" (I can feel some of you cringe at that saying!
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Open your caliper and use the top jaws to measure the distance across the center of the speed loader. Measure however you want, just tell me how it is. I would thing it would be easier to drop the points into the chambers and measure the distance from furthest point to furthest point.

I need to know that measurement. Thanks in advance! (This may be my next carry gun!
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If you find that it doesn't fit your hands well enough, I'd be more than willing to see if it fits mine better
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........ just send it on down.
 
Don't hold your breath my friend. I was told in no uncertain terms that: "We weren't going to be getting rid of ANY of our guns in the near future." I think those 31 years of training has finally paid off!

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I didn't break out the calipers, but I just tried an N Frame .38/357 speedloader (an HKS #27) on my Laramie. It's not exact, but it does indeed work.
 
smithcrazy;
That is sure a nice looking revolver. I like the caliber, also. Pleasant to shoot, lots of bullet choices...

It should handle any standard .38 Special load. The Lyman 358311 (158 gr RN) will be the quickest to load and they also shoot quite well.

I would think the the Lee .358-RF can be had in a six cavity mould and it should load equally well and shoot just as good. I would suspect that these revolvers will be regulated for the standard 158 gr bullet.

Have fun!

Dale53
 
Originally posted by DougE:
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can't blame a guy for trying.

I would blame a guy for NOT trying!
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mesabi,
Thanks! I'll be looking for one on the next trip to the gun store!

Dale,
Thanks! Always an encourager!

I'll be looking for one of those molds or one like it in a cast iron mold.
One thing I noticed at this time is that it is a little "sticky" as far as how the star re-seats and all. I need to clean it up a bit and head back to the range tonight.
 
Well,
The wife and I went back to the range tonight and finished what we started last night.

I had several lots of rounds form a whole bunch of different bullets and powders.

Most of them shoot out of my wife's M586 6" to about 800fps.

There were more of my 3.5gr Bullseye 160gr LSWC loads that run at that velocity.

This thing is as accurate as any modern stock firearm. At 10 yards from support, I can easily make one whole groups with it.

Some things concerned me though. All but the side plate screws worked their way loose, including the sight retention screws. I may have to use some Loctite on them in the future.

Other than that though, this dude is a keeper!
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Fun thread and a practical cartridge for use in such a classically configured revolver.
 
great looking gun skip...i just found a 32cal.lemonsqueezer from 1892...about 95%...hmmmm...new carry gun?
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Originally posted by kennyb:
great looking gun skip...i just found a 32cal.lemonsqueezer from 1892...about 95%...hmmmm...new carry gun?
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I don't see any pictures Kenny! How are we supposed to believe you got a new gun when we ain't seed it!
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Good on you by the way and thanks.
 
I have a Schofield clone. Although it's in .45 Colt the cylinder should be the same diameter. I tried an HKS speed loader made for my 325sc. The .45 Auto-Rims dropped right in. The speed-loader's diameter is approx. 1.66". A speed-loader for a N frame .38/.357 might work.
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I've shown this before, but I think top-breaks are kind of neat. .45 S&Ws eject better than the longer .45 Colts.
 
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