You need to keep yourself out of NJ and MD. I have most of my family in NJ and NY, and I just don't go there. Your NJ friends can meet you in PA for dinner. Don't leave your gun at home - just avoid undesirable areas.
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LOL......old joke..............
Take I-79 or if you want to live on the edge..............................
Take I-81 to Winchester Va....... then take 522 to Berkley Springs W Va.......... follow 522 N. towards Hancock Maryland......take a deep breath
cross the Potomac......
......drive as briskly as possible for 1.5miles........ without breaking any traffic laws....... into Pennsylvania. Breathe again!!
Have Dinner in Pa.!!!!!!!!..... by definition NJ is a "undesirable area"!!!!!
Take I-79 or if you want to live on the edge..............................
Take I-81 to Winchester Va....... then take 522 to Berkley Springs W Va.......... follow 522 N. towards Hancock Maryland......take a deep breath
cross the Potomac......
......drive as briskly as possible for 1.5miles........ without breaking any traffic laws....... into Pennsylvania. Breathe again!!
Have Dinner in Pa.!!!!!!!!..... by definition NJ is a "undesirable area"!!!!!
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Tom Kent
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Every couple of years I drive from Florida to Maine to bear hunt. I have thought about finding a way around the small part of Maryland I pass through. After reading this, I am sure I will in the future. I also drive to Kansas each year to pheasant hunt and I have the same concerns about Illinois. I may pick a different route there too.
Maddog 521
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That is simply unbelievable. How in the world did all of that happen?
Hhenry
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jyork08854
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Yes, I looked at the reciprocity maps. My SC permit is not honored in PA so I got the PA permit on my last trip. Thought about taking I-81 to I-78 but I still have to go through MD. This is a trip I will try to avoid making again until the laws in these states change, which may be never.
BigDog48
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Crazy politicians in those states put there by crazy voters (only have to win by one vote)!
oneounceload
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You CAN stop for gas, bathroom, etc. You may not stay overnight per FOPA
And let's not forget the thousands of hunters and shooters who come to NJ every year to compete and hunt.......NONE go to jail, not one.
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A bit old, but somewhat related ...
Traveling Man's Gun Arrest Appealed to Supreme Court
"Missed flights only inconvenience most people. A late flight landed Utah gun owner Greg Revell in jail for 10 days after he got stranded in New Jersey with an unloaded firearm he had legally checked with his luggage in Salt Lake City."
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Traveling Man's Gun Arrest Appealed to Supreme Court
"Missed flights only inconvenience most people. A late flight landed Utah gun owner Greg Revell in jail for 10 days after he got stranded in New Jersey with an unloaded firearm he had legally checked with his luggage in Salt Lake City."
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I found the article I was referring to, and I think this was discussed here on SWF a year or so ago. I live close to MD and go up there frequently (Andrews) because the medical care is so good at the USAF hospital. That said, MD is in another world when it comes to legal firearms ownership. No problem to carry or commit crimes if you have multiple felony convictions, though - they're just after law-abiding gun owners ...
Jackson: Gun owner unarmed, unwelcome in Maryland | tbo.com
Jackson: Gun owner unarmed, unwelcome in Maryland | tbo.com
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Actually, it isn't unbelievable,at all. It's reality. And we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.
Wait and see.
I have seen a number of reasonable comments here, but look at the circumstances leading up to the arrests.
A. The seventy year old arrested with the ancient flintlock. As I understand it, he was stopped for a moving violation, and asked for his documents. Most people tend to store their registration and insurance card in the glove box. Guess what was in the glove box with the documents!
B. The Pennsylvania nurse that was a single parent was stopped for a moving violation. When she was pulled over, since the training was ingrained, VOLUNTEERED, that she had a permit and was carrying, and I believe volunteered that she didn't know that her permit was not recognized in NJ.
C. The retired corrections officer arrested when returning from a casino was arrested after announcing to the responding officer for a motor vehicle accident, that he had a secured weapon in his car when they started to transport him to the hospital. The retired CO was of the belief that he was fully protected by LEOSA, what he didn't know is that in NJ, COs are not viewed as "real" law enforcement because they do not have arrest authority in their original position.
D. Look at the visiting active duty marine arrested in North Jersey, because he had an illegal weapon. He was out drinking with a friend at a "club" and he had a firearm in his glove box accessible to his friend, and the firearm was accessed and employed in a bar fight.
Yes, there are many other case studies, and I am sure as Hades NOT defending the state. The common theme from these 4 examples, is ignorance of the law. In all honesty, had the "offender" been aware of the law, and used a modicum of common sense, these arrests would not have occurred. There are many laws on the books which many people are not aware of. For example, if you are possessing a slungshot, you are legal, but possess a slingshot, you have just committed a firearms felony mandating a 2.5 year stay in prison.
New Jersey's legislature is controlled by the Democratic political machine, and has the majority in the legislature due to the urban centers and the never changing complexion of their suburbs. Place that with the fact that the Democrats controlled the legislature in '47 when the state Constitution was updated, and citizens were denied the right of self defense.
Just the facts ...
A. The seventy year old arrested with the ancient flintlock. As I understand it, he was stopped for a moving violation, and asked for his documents. Most people tend to store their registration and insurance card in the glove box. Guess what was in the glove box with the documents!
B. The Pennsylvania nurse that was a single parent was stopped for a moving violation. When she was pulled over, since the training was ingrained, VOLUNTEERED, that she had a permit and was carrying, and I believe volunteered that she didn't know that her permit was not recognized in NJ.
C. The retired corrections officer arrested when returning from a casino was arrested after announcing to the responding officer for a motor vehicle accident, that he had a secured weapon in his car when they started to transport him to the hospital. The retired CO was of the belief that he was fully protected by LEOSA, what he didn't know is that in NJ, COs are not viewed as "real" law enforcement because they do not have arrest authority in their original position.
D. Look at the visiting active duty marine arrested in North Jersey, because he had an illegal weapon. He was out drinking with a friend at a "club" and he had a firearm in his glove box accessible to his friend, and the firearm was accessed and employed in a bar fight.
Yes, there are many other case studies, and I am sure as Hades NOT defending the state. The common theme from these 4 examples, is ignorance of the law. In all honesty, had the "offender" been aware of the law, and used a modicum of common sense, these arrests would not have occurred. There are many laws on the books which many people are not aware of. For example, if you are possessing a slungshot, you are legal, but possess a slingshot, you have just committed a firearms felony mandating a 2.5 year stay in prison.
New Jersey's legislature is controlled by the Democratic political machine, and has the majority in the legislature due to the urban centers and the never changing complexion of their suburbs. Place that with the fact that the Democrats controlled the legislature in '47 when the state Constitution was updated, and citizens were denied the right of self defense.
Just the facts ...
Arik
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The 70 year old man didn't have a firearm in the eyes of the feds. It's a 300 year old pistol. What he had in his glove box was equivalent to a chunk of metal and wood. No different than putting a hammer in the glove box
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kthom
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Why even risk it? It's an argument or discussion you will likely lose! It is just not worth it. Easy for me to say because I don't live anywhere close and have no intention of traveling anywhere in that part of the world or over it!!! I guess if you wish to be a test case, then go for it. But again, I ask, "Why?". If ya gotta go there, leave all firearms and related paraphenalia at home. It's just not worth the risk, IMO.
It really comes down to knowledge of the laws. Currently, states can institute laws that are more stringent than the federal government. That being said, we all need to be aware of the laws for not only where we live, but also where we are going and where we must transit. The prime thing that we must be totally aware of, is that ignorance of the law is NOT a legal defense. Currently, federal laws and their definitions don't guide state courts. In this post and respect, the OP is trying to educate themselves with the reality of the law, not the opinions of how the laws are wrong compared to X, Y, or Z.
Keep in mind what may be totally legal in your state may be completely illegal in another, for example:
BB guns: federal law, not a firearm ... NJ a firearm
Blackpowder guns: federal law, not firearms ... NJ a firearm
Colt blackpowder revolving rifle: federal law, not a firearm ... NJ a banned assault weapon
Springfield Armory M1A with a bayonet lug: federal law, legal ... NJ a banned assault weapon
Benelli semi-auto shotgun with AR style pistol grip: federal law, legal ... NJ a banned assault weapon
Remington SpeedMaster: federal law, legal ... NJ a banned assault weapon because it holds more than 15 rounds (22 Shorts)
Until all of the legal jurisdictions get on the same page, there are going to be conflicts. States have the right to make their own laws, and they can be in direct contradiction to federal laws, and federal laws don't mean squat in a state court. I am not saying that this is right, but it is reality.
Keep in mind what may be totally legal in your state may be completely illegal in another, for example:
BB guns: federal law, not a firearm ... NJ a firearm
Blackpowder guns: federal law, not firearms ... NJ a firearm
Colt blackpowder revolving rifle: federal law, not a firearm ... NJ a banned assault weapon
Springfield Armory M1A with a bayonet lug: federal law, legal ... NJ a banned assault weapon
Benelli semi-auto shotgun with AR style pistol grip: federal law, legal ... NJ a banned assault weapon
Remington SpeedMaster: federal law, legal ... NJ a banned assault weapon because it holds more than 15 rounds (22 Shorts)
Until all of the legal jurisdictions get on the same page, there are going to be conflicts. States have the right to make their own laws, and they can be in direct contradiction to federal laws, and federal laws don't mean squat in a state court. I am not saying that this is right, but it is reality.
Arik
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Well that's great but not everyone has that option and quite frankly it's irrelevant to day to day life!
I live, work and play on the PA border with NJ. My work is only a few miles from NJ and I can see the bridge crossing into NJ from my office window. Otherwise I'm always within 15 - 20 min ride away. When I have parties or want to buy a nice gift I go to NJ liquor stores. Their selection dwarfs anything PA has thanks to our gov controlled liquor stores. Last Thursday one of our equipment at work needed new parts. The closest parts warehouse is in NJ. I can order it and have it delivered by Monday afternoon but that would mean 4 days down time or I can take 20 minutes and drive over and pick it up, leaving only a few hours down time! This doesn't count friends and relatives who live in NJ and NYC
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^^^^^ THIS, you can stand on the side of the road all day and argue or whip out your rules, it's going to be a bad day either way.
I travel to restrictive states and leave my guns at home.
Amazingly I've made it far enough in life to collect social security.
Edit: You can add NY, CT, and MA to undesirable states. None of em' are your friend.
CT does though, offer a very obtainable non resident carry license, done thru the mail.
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Colonel
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You are traveling to two highly anti 2A states. Why risk your liberty, possessions, high attorney cost and an arrest record? Just leave you firearms home and practice situational awareness instead.
Regardless of any federal laws that would normally protect you traveling through any state with a legally possessed firearm, these anti 2A LEO's and prosecutors don't care! In these states, you're guilty until YOU prove your innocence, regardless of what any law states.
Regardless of any federal laws that would normally protect you traveling through any state with a legally possessed firearm, these anti 2A LEO's and prosecutors don't care! In these states, you're guilty until YOU prove your innocence, regardless of what any law states.
MA is a VERY undesirable state to visit. For residence, it's not as bad, although surely in the bottom quintile. If you already have all the handguns you want, or want only those that make C&R, it's not bad. There are many areas where a carry permit is not much trouble, and usually very few restrictions on where you can carry.
As noted, CT is straightforward and reasonable about what's needed for a non-resident permit.
As noted, CT is straightforward and reasonable about what's needed for a non-resident permit.
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