Triple Digit Triple Lock (Bandwidth Warning!)

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Sorry, but to argue again- you don't know what caused the cartridge slap on the recoil shield. Merely being loaded and bounced around for 94 years produces wear. Walking, horseback, autos, trains, trucks, airplanes.........
Also, cordite and Brit primers are very corrosive. The residue also gets on unfired cartridge heads and corrodes the recoil shield.
I doubt the gun ever busted 1000 caps.

Give the Gorilla a Daniel Webster seegar. That was my thoughts exactly. I have a 29 with literally 1000's of rounds through it and there is no wear marks from the shell heads on the blast shield.
 
Of course now that you know it was not re-finished perhaps you should return it and demand your money back based on their estimate that it was!
What an excellent suggestion! They misrepresented it!

David, knowing that you are the shy retiring type, I volunteer to give you your money back if you will ship the TL to me, then I will pursue the auction house to my complete satisfaction in this matter.
 
What an excellent suggestion! They misrepresented it!

David, knowing that you are the shy retiring type, I volunteer to give you your money back if you will ship the TL to me, then I will pursue the auction house to my complete satisfaction in this matter.

Thank you for this generous offer, but I am trying to be tough about my disappointment in their erroneous description of this gun. No more whining from me! :D
 
David:
Lee is correct.
That gun is not re-blued.
I have a few with that look exactly like that one.
Larry
 
David:
Lee is correct.
That gun is not re-blued.
I have a few with that look exactly like that one.
Larry

Larry, thanks for the input. Comments from you, Lee and others have persuaded me that the catalog description was simply incorrect (or overcautious), and that underneath the scuffs and dings this gun has its original finish.

Still haven't had a chance to shoot it, but that day will come.
 
Hello, This gun is described nicely in "British Secondary Small Arms 1914-1919, Part 3," by A.O.Edwards. If you don't have access to this British publication, I will be glad to send you a photocopy of the relevant pages.
You might note my posting of today about my British triple-lock being stolen at the Chicago airport. Mine is/was serial 4197 of the 5,000.
Mike Carrick, [email protected]
 
David, I am late to this thread but thought you might enjoy seeing Triple Lock s/n 373 which shipped in March 1910. It is 44 SPL caliber. If I recall correctly the British had a separate serial number sequence.

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1/2 recessed.....

That is the best way to convert one of these 455's. The rim of the 455 is so thin, you have to increase headspace somehow. This is better than facing off the recoil shield.

Another advantage to this sort of conversion is that, if done carefully, the counterbores will be small enough to allow the slightly larger but thinner .455 cartridge rims to still headspace on the rear of the cylinder. Thus, a "dual calibered" revolver. Here's an example which shoots both .45 Colt and .455 quite well:

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Not that I would have done such a thing myself, what with several hundred .455 Fiocchi and CIL rounds to use! (The .455 has a sort of odd, hollow sounding report upon discharge, almost like you can hear the air rushing back into the bullet's wake.)
 
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Another advantage to this sort of conversion is that, if done carefully, the counerbores will be small enough to allow the slightly larger but thinner .455 cartridge rims to still headspace on the rear of the cylinder. Thus, a "dual calibered" revolver.

Jay, it would never have occurred to me that a converted .455 could be a dual-chambered gun, but now that I have looked I see that the .455 Mk II rim diameter is .535" and the .45 Colt rim diameter is .512". Now I need to find a few .455 rounds or cases to see if mine still has enough rim support to shoot that cartridge successfully. Is there any risk of brass expansion or cracking right at the base of the case where it would be unsupported for a few thousandths of an inch of its length?

Is that serial number 336? If so, your gun and mine could have come off the assembly floor on successive days, or maybe the same one!

This thread is over 2 1/2 years old, and I was surprised to see it come back out of retirement. My thanks to everyone who has dropped a "like" on it and contributed further comments. This is still one of my favorite revolvers.
 
Jay, it would never have occurred to me that a converted .455 could be a dual-chambered gun, but now that I have looked I see that the .455 Mk II rim diameter is .535" and the .45 Colt rim diameter is .512". Now I need to find a few .455 rounds or cases to see if mine still has enough rim support to shoot that cartridge successfully. Is there any risk of brass expansion or cracking right at the base of the case where it would be unsupported for a few thousandths of an inch of its length?...

Have never seen any expansion in that area. It seems unlikely to be trouble given the web thickness of any modern round you'd care to shoot. Even an ancient balloon head case would probably be OK, given the low pressure, but it would be a bit mad to try given the scarcity of rounds that old.

BTW, for reloading purposes, I just use whatever combination of .45 Colt and ACP dies that do the job. I did cut down a .45 Colt seating die for crimping purposes, but the Fiocchi cases are so short that it won't fit but one press. The old CIL cases are longer. The best bullets were the W-W .456" dia. 255gr hollow based swaged lead bullets, but Winchester doesn't seem to sell them anymore.

Is that serial number 336? If so, your gun and mine could have come off the assembly floor on successive days, or maybe the same one!

That's actually a Second Model (or is it "First Change"? Not that it's directly relevant...) with part of the serial number blurred due to a minor case of paranoia or "sumpin'". Facebook does facial recognition on all photos on their site to identify and cross link the characters according a recent news report - I can't imagine what the real nefarious types are doing! But never mind...that dead horse has several of it's own threads.

ETA: But that Second Model is kinda historic in it's own right. Issued to a reconnaissance squadron (AKA "fighter squadron") in the Royal Flying Corps before it was renamed the RAF:

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I'm still hoping a triple lock comes my way at some point! Yours seems particularly nice.
 
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I have an Australian 1917 converted to .45 Colt and it is a joy to shoot with the Cowboy Action ammunition.
 
I took delivery of a triple lock today: this .455 Hand Ejector First Model. The serial number is 358, which pretty much means it had to have shipped in October of 1914. It probably went to Remington in NY, which was the designated recipient for revolvers produced under S&W's British contract. I may letter this gun at some point, but I don't feel a burning need to do so as there is less mystery about the dates and destinations of military contract guns than there is for commercial products.

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The barrel, cylinder and ejector star also have the 358 number on them. I didn't look to see if the crane number was the same.


The gun now chambers .45 Colt. The chamber case shoulders are deeper than for the .455 Webley Mark II round.

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Not surprising in a gun of this early date, the top strap has a fouling pocket.

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This wouldn't be a triple lock thread without a photo of the characteristic crane wedge associated with the mechanism that gave the gun its name.

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Inside, the gun is very clean. A previous owner obviously went through at some point, but it may have been a while ago. The lockwork, though clean, was bone dry. The last lubrication it got was some time back. Check out the case coloring on the hammer!

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I think the gun has been refinished, but it was a long time ago and it was very well done. [EDIT: Changed my mind on this. See posts below on why this is probably the original finish.] There are a few minor dents and dings that have been blued over, and there are many more scratches, dings and rough spots that have accumulated since the presumed re-blue. I think the logical time to refinish it would have been when it was converted to .45 Colt. But if that's when it happened, the gun was not much shot afterward. The cartridge impact circles on the recoil shield are very faint, which suggests to me that it did not see a lot of use in recent years. The stocks fit well and may be original to the gun. I think I see some numbers written on the back of the right panel, but I cannot determine what they are even with bright angled sunlight.

The fitting of the sideplate shows how careful the refinishing was. Also, protruding pins and studs were not flattened in an over-aggressive pre-blue polishing.

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The gun carries proof or ordnance marks, including crossed flags, facing broad arrows, and a crown over a couple of characters I can't quite read. If someone can tell my what these mean or symbolize, I would appreciate it.

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The crossed flags are also on the rear cylinder face.


The lockwork is smooth and precise. There is no push-off. Endshake and side play are minimal and within spec. The chambers are shiny, as you can see in the photo above. The bore has a few spots in it that may come out with repeated cleanings. If not, the flaws will be few. Overall, the bore is in excellent condition.


I have been hoping to spot an affordable TL for some time, and this one fills the bill very nicely. A little rough outside, but to all appearances mechanically sound. I intend to shoot this. I presume that low-speed cowboy loads are in order?

Hi, DCWilson
Just to complement this thread already a bit old, but still in time, I have in my collection a Smith & Wesson Triple Lock .455 Webley caliber, serial number 227 as the photo, all original and in perfect condition.
 
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