Trouble with 1980s M-41

[suprane]

Have a 5 1/2" 41 ( late 1980s version ) that I have had for a few months and finally took it out to the target range and shot. I was using Remington Golden 22lr 1280fps hollow points. They all loaded fine but out of 30 shells 6 no fires. Pin strike looked good and all fired when reloaded. Firing pin, spring, what ?? And I see people here talking about 41s made for standard velocity, what fps is considered SV ?

Second question: Have an opportunity to buy NIB 1970-72 serial # 194xxx perfect box, manual, tag, original receipt, everything as right from factory. Gentleman passed and widow wants $1600.00. Buy it ?? Too much ??

 

[824tsv]

Sounds to me like your 41 doesn't like that ammunition. I boycotted Remington ammunition years ago when I bought a brick of T-22's and had dozens of no fires like you are experiencing. I also found that this ammunition was extremely dirty. I switched to CCI Standard Velocity and have had very few issues. CCI SV is 1060FPS.
$1600 for a real unfired NIB 70's era 41 is not out of line IMO.

 

[gmiller0737]

It may well be the Remington Ammo I have had issues in several rimfire guns with the Remington Ammo I have not tried it in My 1980 Model 41

 

[suprane]

Thank you for the replies. I was thinking ammo also, as the firing pin was making a deep indent right on the rim. But they all fired when loaded again. That is what confused the issue. Maybe the rims are the defective element of the Remington cartridge. Will try CCI standard velocity. I agreed to buy the NIB 41 and after looking serial numbers up on this site realize it was made between 1972-3. Saw five on GB, GunsInter. and GunsAmer. all over $1,600.00, two NIB , rest mint early 60s pistols, so that price, though a lot is fair and it helps a friend. Not that she needs the money, but just wanted to be fair to both of us and she didn't know the values. Now my question is do I fire it or collect it. It would be nice to be the first to pull back that slide and aim her. But I'd sure suffer on the first " nick ". LOL

 

[mauiblue]

I shoot basically what I can get my hands on locally and the majority of 22lr ammo I have is HV ammo. I do have some American Eagle ammo which is standard velocity but I occasionally have FTE or FTF with the standard velocity or inexpensive ammo. I installed a recoil buffer in the Model 41 and after a few thousand rounds there are no issues.

For the NIB Model 41 you are buying, you can have fun fondling it as a safe queen if you so desire. I'm not a collector and everything gets used in my gun safe. To me it's more enjoyable that way. As for knives, I have a few safe queens that would never ever be pocket carried or used.

Have fun and be safe.

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[Revoman]

Remington makes the worse .22 ammo on the planet.

I don't know if it is a quality control issue or a lack of caring or both.

They are making ammo, it should fire. I gave up on them years ago.

 

[steamloco76]

I owned a 1980s era M-41 for a few years, it was the most ammunition sensitive firearm I've ever owned. The only ammo it would shoot with good accuracy and also function 100% of the time was Eley Pistol Match or TeneX, which was
very expensive even then.

Try any good standard velocity 40 grain ammo you can find. Hopefully you will get a loading or two that are accurate and reliable without going to the top dollar Eley fodder.

 

[iwanna]

Yes, CCI Standard. Only way to go on a 41. I've picked up some Remington Target occasionally. Acceptable accuracy, but an occasional FTF or mis-feed. Hardly any cheaper than CCI Standards. I'm with the others on this. Little good to say about Remington .22 ammo.

Keep the Standards in mind for other guns as well, including really old ones not made for HV.

I'm not too crazy about CCI Green Tag. Expensive and no more accurate.

Anyway, use only Standards in your 41. HV won't hurt it that I know of, but it is a precision instrument and should be treated that way. With Standards, your 41 will soon become the benchmark for pistol accuracy against which you will compare all others. And they will all fall short. My 2¢.

 

[suprane]

Thanks to all.

 

[g8rb8]

I guess I've been lucky with my model 41. It has had no problems with any ammo I can recall but, for reasonably priced ammo, it particularly likes CCI standard velocity, Fiocchi standard velocity, and Aguila standard velocity.

To answer your standard velocity question: For .22 LR I would define standard velocity ammo at 1000 fps + or - 100 fps.

Regarding your second question about the price of $1600 for a 1970-1972 model 41 LNIB. That price seems a little rich, closer to the upper end of retail (?), but not entirely outside the range of reasonable. For a face to face sale somewhere closer to $1000+ might be more reasonable. It's possible the seller might sell it for close to $1600 if they sold it on Gun Broker, put it on consignment at a LGS, or put it in an auction but they would have costs and time involved and I would imagine when all was said and done their realized price might be closer to $1000-$1200.

John

 

[Barrie]

The Remington ammo is not the stuff to use in this gun at all. It is very dirty as well as a problem with cycling in all M41's . $1600. is on the high end of the price range for a new M41 even to-day as they list new now for a lot less. I believe they are $1399.00 from S&W themselves. Federal is also another bad ammo for these guns. CCI SV 40 grain is the very best I have found for my M41 and M46.

 

[bn12gg]

I shoot an early plus mid 60's M41. Agree ^^ CCI sv is the ticket. FWIW- I came across a bunch of Remmington Subsonic so picked it up. This past week I put 2 boxes (100 rds.) thru the M41's -- FLAWLESS 100% cycled. I wouldn't insult any of my target 22's with Remmington Golden Bullet - dirty plus it's HV. On occasion I shoot bulk Golden Bullet from bolt action rifles.

.02

David

 

[suprane]

Some agree $1,600.00 not too high for NIB 1972-3 41, others say too high. New models can be had for $1300+ but is it not correct the older pre 1977 models are thought to be better by far then the new model ? I have heard this but am no expert, any comments appreciated.

 

[Sebring Pop]

I have 3 Model 41 and the only ammo they will shoot consistently with no problems at all is CCIsv.
As far as the $1600 goes, I buy my guns to shoot them. I think that's to much for a shooter and as for a collector I don't think that will appreciate like a sound stock market investment.

 

[824tsv]

Have a look at completed listings on Gunbroker. This will give you a current average to look at prices. Thats my best suggestion. You will get varying answers here on the forum. I also own (3) 41's with my newest one from the mid 80's that is fitted with a current production 7" barrel. It shoots every bit as good as my other 2 early 60's models. I have heard various reports of both good and bad from members with current production models. It's your money, you decide what price is good for you.

 

[alfonzo]

I would check and clean out the firing pin channel. If this is dirty you can have light primer strikes.

 

[Echo47]

Check out Guns International, Used Guns For Sale Online, Antique Guns, Collectible Firearms. At last check, they listed 28 Model 41s, ranging anywhere from $800 to $2500, plus a fully-engraved, gold-inlaid factory pistol for $5,000. Most were in the range of $1000-1500, depending on extras. If you're looking for a safe queen, it's a bit high and will take time before you see any significant appreciation of value. If it's a shooter, I'd take a pass on it or offer less and see what the seller will accept. Just my .02
Echo47