Trying to determine the value of this PPC revolver

[robbt]

hello, Trying to determine the value of this PPC revolver built on a 13-2 frame and cylinder , Douglas bull barrel, Bomar rib, honed action was the property of the NYS combat pistol champion.

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[Jeep 1]

The problem with a custom PPC gun is it's a very limited market and other than for somebody to have just as a target shooter. The custom work hurts the value more than helps it.
I would put the value from what I have seen between $400-$450
Probably not what you wanna hear but it has no collectors value and it's just a fancy shooter now.
That's my opinion maybe somebody will come along and tell you something way different
Tom

 

[AJ]

Sadly, it is worth what someone will pay for it. If the previous owner was someone of note then maybe it's value will go up.

This PPC revolver 'smithed by Behlert was bought for $175 woth the Pachmayr Shooting box w/scope and 1000 rounds of .38 Special wadcutter. The owner tried to sell it in a gunshop, and they didn't want it. Followed the owner out to the parking lot and made an offer. He accepted.

 

[1Celticfozzie]

The problem with a custom PPC gun is it's a very limited market and other than for somebody to have just as a target shooter. The custom works hurts the value more than helps it.
I would put the value from what I have seen between $400-$450
Probably not what you wanna hear but it has no collectors value and it's just a fancy shooter now.
That's my opinion maybe somebody will come along and tell you something way different
Tom

I am in agreement. Tops I have seen PPC guns go for is $600ish. Any more than that and they just sit.

 

[bananaman]

You also have to wonder how many rounds have put through it. I had a 10-6, 8&3/8" PPC gun built by Cheshire & Perez. I found out that the long barrel was not my thing. Later barrel length was limited to 6". Not that I shot in competition. Bob

 

[A10]

These are great shooters. As stated, unless there is documentation it was owned by a world class shooting champion, it will be worth less than a stock gun in similar condition would be. Personally, unless it was a really rocking deal I would have to pass.

 

[robertrwalsh]

That is the trouble with a piece of hardware that has a very focused use that is not really common any more. The collectors market isn't really there unless it belonged to a high profile shooter and the user market is almost non-existent.

 

[Jim Watson]

PPC is a declining event and the Open guns are highly specialized.
I shot a few seasons a good many years ago. The one guy I know who has stayed with it says he can go to a scheduled match and there not be enough people there to bother hanging targets. They drink their coffee, catch up on the smalltalk and go home.

 

[1Celticfozzie]

PPC is a declining event and the Open guns are highly specialized.
I shot a few seasons a good many years ago. The one guy I know who has stayed with it says he can go to a scheduled match and there not be enough people there to bother hanging targets. They drink their coffee, catch up on the smalltalk and go home.

Kind of a shame. It's can be very challenging and frustrating. But when you shoot well, you know it. It's been over 15 years since I shot PPC. And when I did, I just used my 4" 686. Never got around to getting a gun built.

Seems today everyone wants to run and gun. Hence the popularity of IDPA/USPSA among others.

 

[Jim Watson]

There were four of us here who shot together; we were the county pistol team on the strength of one reserve deputy and three honorary deputies. The PMA was not as tough on the cop only policy as NRA is now.
We wanted to be able to be in contention at Open and acceptable for Distinguished, so we shot Pythons in the pre-L frame era rather than support two guns. I was probably the low man on that team, I treasured a Sharpshooter trophy and eventually made it up to low Expert. Some of those others got into Master and the guy who has stayed with it got into the Governor's 20.

 

[686 shooter]

I shot PPC many years ago and a well tuned revolver is capable of amazing accuracy. It also made you learn more about accuracy, trigger control, etc than you will learn in the run n gun games. The PMA boosted participation as the NRA limited their game to LE only.

If you like the revolver and the price seems reasonable get it. They are fun to shoot and you can always sell it if you want to later on.

 

[444 Magnum]

You don't say if you're looking to buy or sell. I've tried to buy a couple of nice ones in the last two years and they both sold for over a grand. Completed sales on GB range from $450 to $1450.
There's still a market for the pistols and values vary based on condition, setup, who did the work and any provenance.
I can only see one picture in your post and it won't zoom.

 

[PauldL]

That's a really nice revolver OP
That Douglas Barrel with those Bo Mar sights will shoot lights out
My dad shot many PPC matches in the late 70's very early 80's
He shot a Smith model 19 with a Douglas Barrel and Bo Mar sights
Gosh, if anyone wants to see just how good the can really shoot and I mean really.... then shoot a PPC course - that 50 yard line will tell the tale

 

[diyj98]

I've owned a couple and they can be a real pain to sell. It's a limited market and many folks just look at them as butchered revolvers. Who did the work can make a huge difference in resale value. Both mine weren't by any noted gunsmith.

 

[H Richard]

If you want a very accurate handgun for your own use it would be. The maker might raise or lower the value depending on their reputation. I shot local PD (as an auxiliary), and initially used a Mod 15, then a 686. When I switched to a custom Gold Cup in 45 I moved up to high expert and occasionally Master. They can be great guns, but have little actual use, too bulky for carry, too heavy for woods carry, "IF" you can find a group of PPC shooters to shoot with you might like it.

 

[jculloden]

Paid $950 for a Bill Davis Grade 5
Paid $ 1050 for Bill Davis Windmaster

 

[Mongo Safari]

I shot PPC in the late 80's and early 90's. A few years ago, I offered to sell my PPC 10-8, K-frame, Castleberry barrel, Aristocrat sights and delicious trigger job. The guys starting at PPC 1500 were shooting S&W 686, 4" duty and 6" Distinguished. They said they would be more interested if it was an L-frame like the USBP Pistol Team was shooting. No big deal, it's still fun to shoot, I had it out on the range last week.

 

[Norton 750]

Keep it and shoot it! They are fun to shoot, and will bring out your best. If I miss, I know it is me not the gun.

 

[Mr.Cip]

I shot PPC back in the '80s. My revolver was built on a model 10. It was a Davis Custom with a slab barrel and Aristocrat rib and sights. The front sight had preset settings for three distances designed for a neck hold. About 30 years ago I ended up selling it for $200. I kinda wish now that I would have kept it.

 

[Ameshawki]

Around here you would be hard pressed to give it away. No one shoots PPC. If they do it's a very quiet group.

 

[Vtgw938]

Not sought after but probably not going to find one for under $500-$600 regardless who made it. Here are my two. The 686 was mine and I converted it back to a 4 inch even though it was a 6 originally and I cut the frame for Farrant style grips. The other was courtesy another member who sold me the model 10, which was built by my old Chief during the height of PPC. It is in pristine condition, not the usual for a model 10 PPC gun. I have the original barrel but this one is staying the way it is. The stainless 686 makes a better gun to convert back.

 

[oO_Rogue_Oo]

Sadly, it is worth what someone will pay for it. If the previous owner was someone of note then maybe it's value will go up.

This PPC revolver 'smithed by Behlert was bought for $175 woth the Pachmayr Shooting box w/scope and 1000 rounds of .38 Special wadcutter. The owner tried to sell it in a gunshop, and they didn't want it. Followed the owner out to the parking lot and made an offer. He accepted.

Wow, nice. I am a fan of Austin Behlert. He did all my 1911 smithing back in the late 70s early 80s when I shot IPSC. In those days he was local-ish to me; with his shop in Monmouth Junction NJ. It was about 1 1/2 hour drive for me. Wish I still had one of those guns

EDIT: Later he retired and his son Frank moved the shop to PA. I wasn't as fond of Frank and so only visited that shop once and never went back. Really liked Austin though. And he was a great pistol smith especially with 1911s and Hi-Powers

 

[-dW]

Paid $950 for a Bill Davis Grade 5
Paid $ 1050 for Bill Davis Windmaster

I was about to add that if there are any PPC guns that are sought after, Bill Davis guns are probably on that list..

 

[-dW]

I got these like 10 years ago because I was fascinated with the Aristocrat adjustable sight rail and I thought they were cool. I bid on 2, hoping to win 1, but got them both.

I don't reload and have never managed to get my hands on any wadcutters so they've just been paper weights.

 

[AJ]

Wow, nice. I am a fan of Austin Behlert. He did all my 1911 smithing back in the late 70s early 80s when I shot IPSC. In those days he was local-ish to me; with his shop in Monmouth Junction NJ. It was about 1 1/2 hour drive for me. Wish I still had one of those guns

EDIT: Later he retired and his son Frank moved the shop to PA. I wasn't as fond of Frank and so only visited that shop once and never went back. Really liked Austin though. And he was a great pistol smith especially with 1911s and Hi-Powers

Almost was stationed at NWS Earle, NJ in the late 80's. Ended u going to NWS Seal Beach, Ca instead. Great tour there. We shot handguns just about every day of the week.

 

[Exchipy]

That's a really nice revolver OP
That Douglas Barrel with those Bo Mar sights will shoot lights out
My dad shot many PPC matches in the late 70's very early 80's
He shot a Smith model 19 with a Douglas Barrel and Bo Mar sights
Gosh, if anyone wants to see just how good the can really shoot and I mean really.... then shoot a PPC course - that 50 yard line will tell the tale

Yes, yes it will.

NRA PPC Match 5 required 60 shots total, 24 of which were to be fired from 50 yards, 6 sitting, 6 prone, 6 left-hand barricade, and 6 right-hand barricade. This old souvenir target, which I shot for the San Jose CHP Pistol Team in September 1975, using a Bill Davis fitted Apex barrel on a S&W Model 15, scored 595-34X:



The revolver pictured here is a S&W Model 15 (originally a 2") I put together with a 6" Douglas 1:10 barrel turned and timed by Clark Custom (available now for about $210). The completed revolver was then recently Black Nitride treated by H&M Metal Processing of Akron OH to make it highly corrosion and scratch resistant. Its hammer, trigger, sights and ejector rod were not Black Nitride treated. It shoots as good as it looks, too:





I carried a stainless steel version of it (made on a S&W Model 67) on road patrol duty, in a Hoyt break-front holster (It was extremely quick coming out!). Once, a fleeing auto thief I'd taken out of the bushes at gunpoint (with that heavy barreled Model 67) asked me with eyes wide, "Is that a silencer?" "Yes, yes it is," I lied. "Why you got a silencer?" "Well," I replied, "if I should shoot you, even by accident, I can just walk away with no muss, no fuss and no reports." He couldn't have been more cooperative after that. I can only imagine what he might have told his new roomies later at the Grey Bar Hotel.

As a side note: Bill Davis had been my firearms instructor at the CHP Academy, when I was a cadet there. He mentored me as a PPC shooter until I was invited to join the CHP Blue Team, just as he was leaving it, and until I was thereafter named to the California Governor's Twenty top police combat marksmen for 1976. We remained in contact as friends, visiting together at his SHOT Show booth each January, until his death. I do miss him.

 

[PauldL]

Exchipy, thats a real witch you got there
Some masterful shootin!
Lol, is that a silencer! That was a perfect reply by the way
Wow man, that target brings back memories!
There was one time daddy shot a perfect score - he kept the target but, we lost it to Hurricane Helene last fall.
I remember many times and just so many huge trophies he had from Charlotte PD, Gastonia, Lincolnton, Boone, Shelby, etc etc - my daddy was a Prison Warden (later on over about all the prisons in Western NC) he was also leader of the PERT Team at one time but, they also had their own shooting team and they did win the NC State Championship (out of all 100 NC Prisons at that time - not sure how many prisons actually had a team but, it was a lot) he had a helluva team- most people from the Southern Blue Ridge can shoot anyways - but, I remember loving to go to the Matches - it was a great time those days
I gotta say, you PPC shooters are the best of the best (revolver shooters!)
That dang 50 yard line will separate the men from the boys & you my friend are all man!

 

[dsf]

Paid $950 for a Bill Davis Grade 5
Paid $ 1050 for Bill Davis Windmaster

I got this Davis Custom a few years back. Built off a 357 rather than the usual 38 - a 357 limited to 148 wadcutters evidently made sense to someone.



Came with the Bill Davis rubber grips, swapped them out for the S&W with the metal base plate.

 

[steelslaver]

I wouldn't worry much about round count on one of these. 2.7gr of Bullseye behind a 148 gr wad-cutter isn't going to wear anything out

 

[Green Frog]

As long as it times up correctly and the bore doesn't show signs of damage, it should be good for another 100,000 or so rounds of the mild target loads that game uses.