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Today I field stripped a recently purchased 5906TSW in preparation for going to the range. It was actually very clean, maybe just a little dry, so I put light grease on the rails & a couple of other places. While doing this I could easily see the
numbers on the slide. I couldn't. how ever, see any numbers on the frame. I'm referring to the machining or assembly numbers that are supposed to be on a TSW, assuring that they were machined together. Will one of the 3rd Gen wizards please tell me where S&W usually put the numbers on the frame? Thanks!:cool:
 
timn8er said:
Today I field stripped a recently purchased 5906TSW in preparation for going to the range. It was actually very clean, maybe just a little dry, so I put light grease on the rails & a couple of other places. While doing this I could easily see the
numbers on the slide. I couldn't. how ever, see any numbers on the frame. I'm referring to the machining or assembly numbers that are supposed to be on a TSW, assuring that they were machined together. Will one of the 3rd Gen wizards please tell me where S&W usually put the numbers on the frame? Thanks!:cool:
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they are on both my 3913TSW and Shorty 40
 
On the two 4566TSW's I have only one is marked with assembly numbers. I found the frame number under the grip in the mainspring channel just below the sear spring.

Cheers
Bill
 
Thanks Bill! I didn't think to look there. After my range fun I'll be cleaning it up & I've got a new grip for it, so I'll look there.:cool:
 
Well , I need your help . I have 3 tsw guns and after taking them apart I find no number on the slide. Am I looking in the wrong place? All 3 guns have the 2nd serial number under the grip on the left side and a number on the back strap under the sear but nothing on the slide.
 
Here you go. this is a picture of a 5906TSW slide. The numbers are very faint, but you can just make out the number 220 that the screwdriver tip is pointing to. Hope this helps!:cool:

 
Nope , not on any of the 3. That is the part of the slide that I polish on all my Smiths . That's why I like the European way with the serial on the slide, barrel and frame . Or the way they did it with my parks gun .
 

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The next time I take one of my other TSW'S down I'll see if its any different.
 
OK. I took the 5906TSW to the range today:details are in another thread. I took it apart for a good cleaning & to install a new grip. Also, I wanted to locate the machining number on the frame. And there it was, right where BMCM said it would be.



Its very faint, but its definitely there. I missed it the first time, then went over it with a magnifying glass & bright light. Thanks again, Bill!:cool::cool::cool:
 
In a past thread Gary S. & I were discussing the S&W's practice of machining TSW slides & frames together, numbering them so that they stayed together through the assembly process. I thought it applied to all TSW's, & he wasn't so sure. Rather than zombify that thread, i decided to post what info I had found in this one. Finding a brief lull in my busy social calendar(hah! Read total boredom here)I decided to look at the pistols I have on hand. The 5906TSW, as already mentioned in this thread, had the dual machining numbers. The pre-rail 4013TSW had none. The 4013TSW(rail removed)had a number on the frame, but not on the slide. The 4513TSW had no numbers at all. So now I'm more confused than ever. I know that the bible doesn't specifically state that pre-rail TSW's had the slide & frame milled together, but like I said, I assumed. This does not diminish the value of any of these guns to me, I'm just curious. Do any of the 3rd Gen wizards have any thoughts?
 
I was wrong my pre rail 3913 TSW does not have those type stamps on the inside slide or frame. It does have the serial number and model number stamped on the frame.
 
My only contribution comes from what I've read in the SCSW and a quick look at the slide on my pre rail 3913TSW.

In the book, only the rail versions are noted to have matching slides and frames. There is no mention of that with the pre rail versions.

Take that for whatever worth you think it has.



timn8er said:
In a past thread Gary S. & I were discussing the S&W's practice of machining TSW slides & frames together, numbering them so that they stayed together through the assembly process. I thought it applied to all TSW's, & he wasn't so sure. Rather than zombify that thread, i decided to post what info I had found in this one. Finding a brief lull in my busy social calendar(hah! Read total boredom here)I decided to look at the pistols I have on hand. The 5906TSW, as already mentioned in this thread, had the dual machining numbers. The pre-rail 4013TSW had none. The 4013TSW(rail removed)had a number on the frame, but not on the slide. The 4513TSW had no numbers at all. So now I'm more confused than ever. I know that the bible doesn't specifically state that pre-rail TSW's had the slide & frame milled together, but like I said, I assumed. This does not diminish the value of any of these guns to me, I'm just curious. Do any of the 3rd Gen wizards have any thoughts?
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GaryS said:
My only contribution comes from what I've read in the SCSW and a quick look at the slide on my pre rail 3913TSW.

In the book, only the rail versions are noted to have matching slides and frames. There is no mention of that with the pre rail versions.

Take that for whatever worth you think it has.
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I don't know if I said it clearly, I thought I did, but just in case there is a misunderstanding, I was agreeing with you.
 
GaryS said:
I was agreeing with your agreement to my previous statement that you had indicated you agreed with! :D
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Ah! Now I understand! So I take it that we don't have to agree to disagree if we don't agree on our disagreement? Excellent!:cool::D:cool:
 
Not so fast. I think we should form a committee to study the matter and issue a report. There should be several meetings involved. The report should recommend that we form a committee to further study the issue and promulgate interim recommendations. At which point, we'll go on vacation. Of course we'll have to form a committee to decided where we'll go on vacation.

Can you tell that I worked for a city government for many years?

"Meetings, the practical alternative to work."


timn8er said:
Ah! Now I understand! So I take it that we don't have to agree to disagree if we don't agree on our disagreement? Excellent!:cool::D:cool:
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GaryS said:
Not so fast. I think we should form a committee to study the matter and issue a report. There should be several meetings involved. The report should recommend that we form a committee to further study the issue and promulgate interim recommendations. At which point, we'll go on vacation. Of course we'll have to form a committee to decided where we'll go on vacation.

Can you tell that I worked for a city government for many years?

"Meetings, the practical alternative to work."
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Wait a minute...what? I've decided unilaterally to table my side of the proposal until such time as I can come up with something witty & cool to say, or at least until tomorrow when
my morning meds kick in.:confused::D
 
My pre-rail 3913TSW doesn't have the component stamps but my Shorty 40 does. If I read the SCSW correctly it is only the 2nd gen of TSW's (railed) versions that are matched by serial numbers.

Guess I'll have to get rid of my non-serialized TSW junk...anyone wanna swap me for a Glock?;)
 
lhump1961 said:
My pre-rail 3913TSW doesn't have the component stamps but my Shorty 40 does. If I read the SCSW correctly it is only the 2nd gen of TSW's (railed) versions that are matched by serial numbers.

Guess I'll have to get rid of my non-serialized TSW junk...anyone wanna swap me for a Glock?;)
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I don't know if you read my previous post (#10) but I believe I clearly stated that the lack of matching numbers does not diminish the pistols value to me. I was just trying to find out why if only the railed TSW's had the machining numbers, why I have one that doesn't have them. Just curious!:cool::D
 
2 of mine are rail guns, the 9mm is a 3 line VJFxxxx serial , the .45 is a 2 line VJExxxx. The .40 is a non rail 3 line BAYxxxx serial. None have # markings on the slide , all have the # under the sear spring on the back strap. There's a start for the spread sheet.:D
 
TSW or Performance Center TSW

The first TSW's (Team Smith and Wesson) were built by the Performance Center, Most all I know of have their numbers on a major parts of the firearm and were all Stainless Steel where the later were either SS or SS slide and Alloy Frame. First models were easily Id'd by the match barrels and Briley Bushings. When the California Highway patrol tested the original 4006TSW all was well but the cost and time it would take to produce the quantity or TSW's for the upper command. S&W made some changes in the original TSW developing a firearm they could be produced without the use of the performance center. The new firearm had the original tapered barrels with a tighter bushing and better lock up then the STD model they replaced, RE: 5906TSW,4006TSW,4513TSW ECT. they were more like what S&W calls their PRO series of firearms. Put together with a little more TLC, Changed Dwell time, Triggers and recoil systems. These were made on CNC's and only needed minor fitment from the assemblers. Those were produced in larger quantities and most did not have the serial numbers on Frame , slide and Barrel, I think the first version, The .356TSW (9X21.5) Limited was produced in 1990-92 to make 9MM Major. The original .356TSW was a single action only, 5" bbl & Bomar sights and if you were lucky you had a 9MM barrel made for the firearm, But you can still safely use 9X21 in the .356 and not sacrifice any accuracy. most all of these went to LEW HORTON, They are rare as is the ammunition plus they made 200 compact TDA of the same firearm, and some in 40S&W all stainless.
 
timn8er said:
I don't know if you read my previous post (#10) but I believe I clearly stated that the lack of matching numbers does not diminish the pistols value to me. I was just trying to find out why if only the railed TSW's had the machining numbers, why I have one that doesn't have them. Just curious!:cool::D
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My comment was just a joke...wasn't trying to come after you. :)
 
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