Tyler T-Grips

[Borderboss]

From the link above they still appear to be violating the law and what is required of them.

To paraphrase they have a legally implied ship date of 30 days and are legally required to communicate delays and/or refund payment.

It does not appear intent, website acknowledgement nor willingness to refund alleviate then from these legal obligations.

Again, IANAL.

Per the FTC website at the link above, they're violating the federal "Mail, Internet or Telephone Order Merchandise Rule". The home page for Tyler Manufacturing clearly states the following:

Our shipping times vary, depending on the volume of orders that come in at any particular time. We generally estimate a 2 to 3 week ship time, however, it is impossible to predict the volume of orders at any particular time. We generally say 2 to 3 weeks but shipping times can vary at anytime.

I challenge anyone to find someone on this board that received an order from Tyler within three weeks.

I'm wound up on this topic because I believe people should do what they say they're going to do, especially when they take money for it. I can't for the life of me understand why there are so many people on this forum that are willing to give Tyler's a pass on their horrible (and illegal) business practices. This isn't like it's old man Tyler still cranking them out in his garage. This is a whole new set of people that are involved, and even changed the name of the company to "Tomahawk Grips".

 

[GaryHK]

I'm not one to discourage small business but geez, either make good on your promises or sell to a bigger manufacturer of scale that can get the job done faster for less money.

I can't imagine that these are hard to make once you've sorted out the molds.

 

[StrawHat]

People are willing to order and wait because not everyone needs instant gratification. Tyler is still the ONLY company that makes the grip adapter from metal and for some, that is important.

Others are happy with a resin like product that ships quick, like offered by BK Grips. (I still haven't ordered mine to try them!).

I still think that someone should try aluminum casting on a small scale before bashing an entrepreneur who is, slowly, filling a need.

Kevin

 

[balin]

Falling behind has been SOP for this company for many years. There are other options for similar products.

 

[Chubbs103]

People are willing to order and wait because not everyone needs instant gratification. Tyler is still the ONLY company that makes the grip adapter from metal and for some, that is important.

Others are happy with a resin like product that ships quick, like offered by BK Grips. (I still haven't ordered mine to try them!).

I still think that someone should try aluminum casting on a small scale before bashing an entrepreneur who is, slowly, filling a need.

Kevin

I don't necessarily have a problem with the time it takes to get their product.

What I have an issue with is telling customers 2-3 weeks, immediately cashing checks or charging credit cards, then refusing to acknowledge any attempts at communication when when the customer attempts to get a status update.

 

[gr7070]

... before bashing an entrepreneur who is, slowly, filling a need.

Kevin

It's not "bashing an entrepreneur" when they appear to be violating the law on many levels. That is far from bashing.

People are willing to order and wait because not everyone needs instant gratification.
Kevin

To suggest that expecting delivery before 13 months is "need for instant gratification" is a gross mischaracterization.

 

[boykinlp]

It is pretty simple. Pay list price and wait, or go to eBay and get one right away for their prices.
Larry

 

[gumpys]

It is pretty simple. Pay list price and wait, or go to eBay and get one right away for their prices.

Larry

Exactly or better yet don't support a **** company like Tyler and support a good fellow forum member who makes in my opinion a better product (BK Grips) and ships fast. Mailed mine next day.

Eric

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[Rodan]

BK offers a great product (I have several), but doesn't offer grip adapters in aluminum. For that, there's only vintage, or Tyler.

Most folks on here have no problem waiting a year or more for custom grips, leather or gunsmithing... so we should be able to agree the problem is communication, and the website's "3 weeks" nonsense. If it clearly stated it usually takes 10-12 months, I think many here would be willing to wait.

FWIW, I did get an offer of a refund when I actually managed to make contact about 5 months into my order. I stuck with it and eventually received my grip adapters.

 

[No Quarter]

I can make grips adapters out of any metal I choose or you want. I can TiN coat or anodize them in any color available. I can add features (checkering, customized logos, etc.) with ease.

I am a big fan of Tyler T-Grips, but when I see an entity that continually underperforms, all I see is opportunity.

My only hold up is a little market research to ensure that the juice is worth the squeeze.

I have spent over a decade making implants for surgery, this is a cake walk compared to that.

So, are we all tied up with the nostalgia and traditionalism of using a Tyler T-Grip, or would we all welcome a new entry into the space and be willing to add them to our classic and new revolvers?

One thing I know for sure, if I do launch such an enterprise, inventory control and customer service will be on point.

Expectations will be exceeded, promises will be kept.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

 

[PALADIN85020]

I can make grips adapters out of any metal I choose or you want. I can TiN coat or anodize them in any color available. I can add features (checkering, customized logos, etc.) with ease.

I am a big fan of Tyler T-Grips, but when I see an entity that continually underperforms, all I see is opportunity.

My only hold up is a little market research to ensure that the juice is worth the squeeze.

I have spent over a decade making implants for surgery, this is a cake walk compared to that.

So, are we all tied up with the nostalgia and traditionalism of using a Tyler T-Grip, or would we all welcome a new entry into the space and be willing to add them to our classic and new revolvers?

One thing I know for sure, if I do launch such an enterprise, inventory control and customer service will be on point.

Expectations will be exceeded, promises will be kept.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

GO FOR IT!

John

 

[No Quarter]

Duly noted!

 

[NY-1]

I can make grips adapters out of any metal I choose or you want. I can TiN coat or anodize them in any color available. I can add features (checkering, customized logos, etc.) with ease.

I am a big fan of Tyler T-Grips, but when I see an entity that continually underperforms, all I see is opportunity.

My only hold up is a little market research to ensure that the juice is worth the squeeze.

I have spent over a decade making implants for surgery, this is a cake walk compared to that.

So, are we all tied up with the nostalgia and traditionalism of using a Tyler T-Grip, or would we all welcome a new entry into the space and be willing to add them to our classic and new revolvers?

One thing I know for sure, if I do launch such an enterprise, inventory control and customer service will be on point.

Expectations will be exceeded, promises will be kept.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

If I had the opportunity to purchase metal adapters in black/blue and stainless, could pay with an online modern payment method, and knew they'd be here within a reasonable amount of time, I'd purchase about five or six right off of the bat. +1 for going for it!

 

[No Quarter]

Thanks for the input.

 

[evildoctorwho]

To No Quarter


I have been a member here for awhile, read the forum every day but rarely post. I've purchased Tyler T-grips since the late 1970s. If you should start casting and selling grip adapters, I'd buy from you. I bought a Ruger Speed Six over a year ago, have been using a Tyler T-Grip for the Colt D frame on it, the fit is kinda close but not exact. I've considered sending off a check to Tyler for a Ruger T-Grip, but I think that a 12-13 month wait with no real guarantee that you'll eventually get one is too risky

 

[boykinlp]

I have spent over a decade making implants for surgery, this is a cake walk compared to that.

Sounds promising, but remember these will not be "implants for surgery" so they can't cost a thousand dollars each. Having the price in line with the Tyler's would be great.
Larry

 

[No Quarter]

Competitive price is a requirement for my analysis of the opportunity. I would say though, that with current pricing, you are getting what you pay for... A nice product with terrible service and support and questionable successful delivery.

Poor availability and service could be caused by incompetence, or it could be a result of poor margins and bad cash flow management. It could be a a combination of all three I will be able to backwards engineer how to beat them once I get an idea of the most efficient way to make them.

 

[Borderboss]

Competitive price is a requirement for my analysis of the opportunity. I would say though, that with current pricing, you are getting what you pay for... A nice product with terrible service and support and questionable successful delivery.

Poor availability and service could be caused by incompetence, or it could be a result of poor margins and bad cash flow management. It could be a a combination of all three I will be able to backwards engineer how to beat them once I get an idea of the most efficient way to make them.

This is a very good point. I would rather buy a $50 product that shows up in a week instead of a $30 product that might show up in a year.

 

[Old Corp]

I'd LOVE to see a new adapter choice besides Tyler and the very good BK.
Just think how cool it would be if it incorporated the S&W logo! (I know, that's probably verboten, but I'd pay more )

 

[clang444]

I can make grips adapters out of any metal I choose or you want. I can TiN coat or anodize them in any color available. I can add features (checkering, customized logos, etc.) with ease.

I am a big fan of Tyler T-Grips, but when I see an entity that continually underperforms, all I see is opportunity.

My only hold up is a little market research to ensure that the juice is worth the squeeze.

I have spent over a decade making implants for surgery, this is a cake walk compared to that.

So, are we all tied up with the nostalgia and traditionalism of using a Tyler T-Grip, or would we all welcome a new entry into the space and be willing to add them to our classic and new revolvers?

One thing I know for sure, if I do launch such an enterprise, inventory control and customer service will be on point.

Expectations will be exceeded, promises will be kept.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

I'm in - when can we start ordering?