Universal Background Checks

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I wanted to propose an idea I've been formulating with respect to the call for universal background checks. I've heard a few gun owners say they are not against it. Their attitude is I don't have anything to hide so why not.
I am against it myself because I feel it will almost certainly lead to a resgistry and be used freely by any organization that wishes to access it. Insurance companies, medical entities and any government agency would be able to see what we have and use that information as they choose. I read an article today where the ACLU has stated that it considers it an invasion of privacy. Imagine that the ACLU!
Anyway heres my idea. Anyone who wants a gun gets a card issued after a background check. It would be issued by the Federal Govt. Everytime you buy a gun you show them your card and maybe another form of ID and the dealer fills out the 4473(?) and off you go with your gun. No NICS check because you've already been checked out. No phone call to the FBI and the only transaction is between you and your dealer. It would put the onus on law enforcement to report to the feds if you were convicted of a crime and your card would be revoked . They can use the cash they save from the NICS checks to run the program. Heres the kicker. I would insist that it be a federal program with 50 state reciprocity. What do you think?
 
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Less Guns and Social Control of the MASSES period, Nuff said.

It has nothing to do WITH THE CHILDREN,

GUN SAFETY,

or CRIMINAL POSSESSION, they've always been able to acquire though THEFT.

RIGHTS INFRINGEMENT and SOCIAL CONTROL are the AGENDAS GOALS.
 
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Illinois FOID, any state CCH/CCW

So-called Universal Background checks AND a Federal record or license will make gun confiscation too easy. Of course, confiscation is the whole reason for these government actions and programs.
The State of Illinois passed a law to require any person who wanted to buy a gun OR ammunition to have an FOID to show they were "honest." The Illinois added a 24 hour waiting period on long guns and 3 days on handguns despite the FOID.
I live in Kansas now, [I escaped Illinois politics and Chicago 40 odd years ago]. It took 30 years to get Kansas to pass "shall issue CCH" and we've been carrying our guns concealed for 6 years so far. ATF accepts the KS CCH[ concealed carry handgun] in lieu of the phone call to NICS. But that is a Kansas record, not Federal.
Remember in 1775 a war started because the government marched out of Boston to confiscate the arms held at Lexington and Concord in the government arsenals. British law limited the powder, shot and flints, large quantities had to be kept "safe."
That is why the Second Amendment says "keep and bear arms" so that the People could keep their guns and ammunition at home, safe from confiscation. When you see somebody suggest that guns be kept or stored at the police station "for safety" either they are an idiot or a tyrant.
 
Engineer1911 said:
Enough sides to that coin that passage is Zero chance of success. Reciprocity is not part of anyone's plan. It's all about less guns.
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Engineer,
Thats easy for you to say as I see you are from Georgia, one of the great free states but being from NY I see Universal Background Checks having a real chance for passage nationally. I pray you are right and I am not thinking clearly since my Governor bushwacked me.
Len
 
why are universal background checks so bad? Wouldn't you want to know that you sold your personal firearm to a responsible person, law-abiding person? I am going to get flamed for this and that is fine. But hear me out. If there was a way for the common, non-store owner to perform a background check that we all do each time we buy a gun from a store, would that be acceptable? If a private individual could call the NICS and do this without a registration then fine. The "gun show loophole" is a fallacy anyways. Gunshows are just that anymore, a place for people to show there overpriced wares! And don't think there isn't a trail of the NICS. I guarantee you somewhere there is a computer that has every firearm transaction stored somewhere.
 
trauma1 said:
why are universal background checks so bad? Wouldn't you want to know that you sold your personal firearm to a responsible person, law-abiding person? I am going to get flamed for this and that is fine. But hear me out. If there was a way for the common, non-store owner to perform a background check that we all do each time we buy a gun from a store, would that be acceptable? If a private individual could call the NICS and do this without a registration then fine. The "gun show loophole" is a fallacy anyways. Gunshows are just that anymore, a place for people to show there overpriced wares! And don't think there isn't a trail of the NICS. I guarantee you somewhere there is a computer that has every firearm transaction stored somewhere.
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More government control. That is the problem.

What was wrong with the way it was done pre 1968? The NRA would mail a rifle to your home upon receipt of funds. Walk into a store, whoop out the cash, and walk out with your gun. That is the definition of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".
 
trauma1 said:
why are universal background checks so bad? Wouldn't you want to know that you sold your personal firearm to a responsible person, law-abiding person? I am going to get flamed for this and that is fine. But hear me out. If there was a way for the common, non-store owner to perform a background check that we all do each time we buy a gun from a store, would that be acceptable? If a private individual could call the NICS and do this without a registration then fine. The "gun show loophole" is a fallacy anyways. Gunshows are just that anymore, a place for people to show there overpriced wares! And don't think there isn't a trail of the NICS. I guarantee you somewhere there is a computer that has every firearm transaction stored somewhere.
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Ask for ID and carry permit when doing a private sale.

The problem is that nobody can guarantee that it will stop at universal background checks.

The other side knows that they will lose in a direct frontal assault. So they will try to chip away at us a little at a time but claim they aren't in hopes of winning the war.:rolleyes:

Give an inch and they will take more when your head is turned.
 
redlevel said:
Think about why that statement isn't true . . . . .

You want it to be true?:(
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No. I do not want it to be true. But think about it. Do you really think they are not keeping the info somewhere? I am not a conspiracy theorist but not putting my head in the sand either. There is a reason it is called the NATIONAL instant check system!

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So-called universal background checks will soon include ammo sales in New York. Your purchases and number of rounds will be entered into a state database with a running tally. Not sure what the magic number is that puts you on some type of terrorist watch list, but the number 6k is used on the Governor's web site.

You just think you have nothing to hide...
 
trauma1 said:
No. I do not want it to be true. But think about it. Do you really think they are not keeping the info somewhere? I am not a conspiracy theorist but not putting my head in the sand either. There is a reason it is called the NATIONAL instant check system!

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You aren't thinking yet.

The statement isn't true because there is absolutely no record of a transaction between me and a friend who sells me a gun that he bought from a friend who inherited it from his grandfather. Even if your belief that there is a record of every ffl dealer transaction is true (I don't think it is), there are millions of guns that have legally changed hands many times since their original sale with absolutely no record of the transactions.

There are also millions of guns owned by Americans that were bought prior to 1968. I want those guns to stay off any books or computer database. What you are calling for would require me to make a record of the transaction if I choose to give my Marlin 39A I bought in 1960 to my neighbor's son, maybe even if I give it to my own daughter.

You ask why a UBC law would be so bad. It would be bad because it absolutely will not work without universal registration. The liberals know this, and they have admitted that is the next step. Have you seen the NRA video clip of Chuckie Schumer saying it in so many words?
 
Background checks? Universal? Well... let every single woman in the U.S. be required to submit to background checks each and every time they want to buy any sort of birth-control pill, device, whatever. After all, they could use those pills or devices in criminal activity such as prostitution, etc. If all women are required to submit to such background checks conducted by the same authorities and with the same confidentiality of personal information, etc., then perhaps they and all the other left-wingers would have some small idea of exactly why those who advocate for and support the 2nd Amendment refuse to submit their Constitutional right to the review of anyone be they police or politician.
 
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So, as I stated in the opening I am against Universal Background Checks for the reasons I mentioned which happen to be in step with most of you. Do you guys think it is not going to happen? I pray you're right. As A10 just stated it will make many of us law breakers.
trauma1 I applaud your honesty. I don't agree with you because I think the sharing of these data bases would ultimately lead to consfication. History has shown time after time the results of such data collection. It not only can happen here but will happen as the sheep in this country beg the government for protection they can not provide in exchange for liberty they refuse to wield.
Len
 
I guarantee you somewhere there is a computer that has every firearm transaction stored somewhere.
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If I give my child a rifle for Christmas, or sell my neighbor a shotgun, please explain to me how this gets stored into a computer.
 
My question is "why is there anything noted or recorded on the gun itself"?
It's a check on the purchaser. The gun, make, model or serial number is irrelevant to the check.

AFS
 
I asked my FFL about this because the serial number for my guns is never written on the forms I fill out. So how would the gov ever know what guns I have? The FFL keeps the records that I bought guns, but so far they are not turned in to any gov agency.

I am against registering guns, I am not against background checks. I think we need a way to satisfy both needs.

How we could ever do that is beyond me. I don't want to sell to a felon, none of us do. So how do we sell guns and keep track of those sales without writing down registration numbers and filing them away?

I think it may come down to enforcing the laws we have now. If you illegally possess a firearm, you go to jail for 5 years or something. If you commit a crime with it, the time doubles. What I see happening now is criminals getting probation or 6 months for armed robbery.

I was watching a 'dumbest criminal' show last night where a guy overseas tried to swipe a candy bar and was grabbed and held by a couple of employees. The narrator said he got 6 months jail time for petty theft!! I thought that's all the gunman at the Aldi food store in Milwaukee got... :mad:
 
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