Universal Background Checks?

Ever since the "un"-Safe Act became law, here in New York State, I have complied with it. I don't like it, but I'm not going to become a felon over it.
 
Yes, there are some judges in some counties that are bad to work with. It all comes down to the old "law-abiding citizen" idea. It also comes down to your attitude when you meet with the county administrator that accepts your permit.

So. Let's see. First I need to be lucky enough to, by chance, live in a county where the judge respects the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If I meet that prerequisite...then I have to grovel and kiss the county administrators hiney in order for them to grant me my permit? Sorry...but from where I sit here in Ohio, you New Yorkers are getting a lousy deal no matter how you rationalize it.
 
In Florida we don't have gun registration so no one would know you sold one to somebody without a background check anyway.

Most of our laws function through voluntary compliance. You spend your whole life complying with laws that you could likely get away with breaking. You‘d get caught only if you were unlucky.

Aside from philosophical issues, that‘s a problem with UBC, and the way that’s been written into law in states like Oregon. Most people, taking your attitude, scoff at going through an FFL to trade a shotgun to neighbor Bob. Then Bob‘s house gets burglarized and the gun gets stolen, he forgets to lie to the police when they ask for details on the gun, and you‘re toast.

But most people don‘t think about that. It catches the unlucky, not criminals.
 
I'm probably going to get blasted on this but, yes if after passing a Universal Background Check the Fed's would issue a license that would allow one to buy, sell and carry in all 50 states. Why not? I got it states rights but, some states don't care about gun rights.

LOL, it might start that way, then whamo away goes the good part.

Prior to the GCA of 1968 there were no back ground checks, you could get guns via mail order. The highest annual murder rate pre 1968 was 6.2 in 1967, In 1980 the murder rate was 10.2, It is currently about what it was pre 1968. Explain to me how the GCA of 68 has effected crime.
 
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Most of our laws function through voluntary compliance. You spend your whole life complying with laws that you could likely get away with breaking. You‘d get caught only if you were unlucky.

Aside from philosophical issues, that‘s a problem with UBC, and the way that’s been written into law in states like Oregon. Most people, taking your attitude, scoff at going through an FFL to trade a shotgun to neighbor Bob. Then Bob‘s house gets burglarized and the gun gets stolen, he forgets to lie to the police when they ask for details on the gun, and you‘re toast.

But most people don‘t think about that. It catches the unlucky, not criminals.

And wily Bob lies to the police and tells them he purchased the shotgun before the UBC law was written.
 
Everyone in my immediate family has a permit. My Dad had one before me. Even my schoolteacher wife has one. It requires some paperwork, but its not insurmountable.

Yes, there are some judges in some counties that are bad to work with. It all comes down to the old "law-abiding citizen" idea. It also comes down to your attitude when you meet with the county administrator that accepts your permit.

It usually takes months to complete the process. One of the requirements is that a police officer do some of the investigating. When my 21 year old son was in the process he was at the University taking Criminal justice, and riding with a local cop on several days a week. As it turned out that very cop was an investigator. He took it to the judge and my son had his permit in 3 days!!!

When my wife applied, they saw she was a teacher and she got it in 3 weeks.

The revocation statement above is simply not true.

That you and your family members have P/P's is very nice. That's true of my family members as well.
I got my NYS P/P when I was 17 y/o. I'm 71 now.
It took 6mo back then to get it and it's still a yr+ to get one in this County. Some Countys take more time than that.

So it's nice to have a friendly Judge,,a nice local Cop and Chief o'Police and a Sheriff.
I know what that can be like 'cause we had that off and on in this locality as others have.
But politics can change and it every November it can change drasticly in the wrong direction.
Judges & Sheriffs who firmly believe that citizens should not have handguns are all over the State of NY. They have the final say in wether you get a P/P or not.
If they don't think there's a need or if it's a threat to public safety,,guess what,,you aren't getting a P/P no matter what career path your following.

..And as far as the NYS P/P being 'Revocable at any time"
(The revocation statement above is simply not true.)
it most certainly is revocable.
NYS is NOT a Shall Issue State (The State does NOT have to issue you a permit, and if they do they CAN revoke it for any reason)
and it expires when they revolk it so you have to sell or surrender your handguns at that point. If you want another permit you have to re-apply,,if they allow you too.
It's in the NYS Penal Law sect .400
It's also on the NYS P/P itself:

Info printed on the back of all my permit pages.

I also had a NYS Dealers License and a NYS Gunsmiths License (both needed for handguns in NYS from 1972 to 2020.
They are both (additional types of a ) NYS P/Ps.
Same paperwork, same application form, same pics, fingerprints, background checks, same character references needed, a check for a couple hundred to the DCJS,,,,and all this every 3 yrs,,,,,,every 3 yrs!,,,for each of them.
(Plus the FFL renewal every 3 yrs.

Now you would think that living in the same County as my NYSP/P (Carry Permit) that was issued when I was 17, and being former L/E, no record of any kind, and I never tried to burn my fingerprints off my digits with acid like Dillinger, that the Dealer and Gunsmith lic would be a snap to come thru every 3 yrs.
But nooooo. They took minimum 6mo each as well.
Make sure the renewal was in at least 6 mo before the expiration. Then hope the new lic's came before the old ones expired. Why?
Because if the new lic didn't come before the old ones expired, you'd get a letter telling you to turn any firearms (handguns) held by you as a Dealer or Gunsmith over to the Sheriff's Property Unit.

The new licenses early on were usually just in time. Then later in the 80's and 90's they came late but I never surrendered anything.
The licenses then got to be 3, 4 and even 6 mos late as a rule.
The last 3 lic cycles before I retired from it were so late that I was thinking about renewal at the time I finally got the new lic.
20 months late was the record IIRC.
That last one delayed an extra 2 weeks because a Judge could have signed it and sent it out to me, but instead let it set on her desk and went on a Vaca instead.

Character ref info for the background checks were so out of date that the Deputy doing them would call me back and complain that he couldn't contact some of my entrys.
Well, after a couple yrs of sitting on the paperwork, some of them moved,,one died,,stuff happens.


You are very blessed to have local oversee'rs that obviously support your 2A rights and respect the citizens of your locality.
Keep them and those like them in office. A change to the other direction can quickly make things a nightmare of the already stifling bureaucracy.
 
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People saying the permit system in New York and other states is quote "not insurmountable, a modest pain in the butt, not a difficult procedure etc." need to consider that as I sit here at my keyboard, I could easily drive to my LGS, purchase a handgun (yes they are in stock) fill out a 4473 and bypass the NICS since I have a CHL...and be back in an hour with my new pistol. I fear peer pressure from the boiling froggies that have coexisted with permits, registrations for so long that they have become accsutomed and see them as only a minor annoyance. People in the other 40 whatever states see them as a huge problemo and don't want California or NY style gun laws coming to their neighborhood. TBH I wish for just the opposite. I would like to see my states simple, less-infringing procedures come to you folks in restrictive places like NY and CA. I think the one thing we all can agree on is less red tape and less expense = GOOD :)
 
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'Revocable at any time"
(The revocation statement above is simply not true.)

Your statement above is truly on the back of every permit. No argument.

Your original statement said, and I quote: "Revocable at any time for any reason".

The former statement is the wording that is not true.

If you have a car accident and threaten the other person with a handgun, or if you beat up your wife and send her to the hospital, your permit will be revoked. I'd consider those to be pretty good reasons.
 
People saying the permit system in New York and other states is quote "not insurmountable, a modest pain in the butt, not a difficult procedure etc." need to consider that as I sit here at my keyboard, I could easily drive to my LGS, purchase a handgun (yes they are in stock) fill out a 4473 and bypass the NICS since I have a CHL...and be back in an hour with my new pistol. I fear peer pressure from the boiling froggies that have coexisted with permits, registrations for so long that they have become accsutomed and see them as only a minor annoyance. People in the other 40 whatever states see them as a huge problemo and don't want California or NY style gun laws coming to their neighborhood. TBH I wish for just the opposite. I would like to see my states simple, less-infringing procedures come to you folks in restrictive places like NY and CA. I think the one thing we all can agree on is less red tape and less expense = GOOD :)

All a matter of personal preference. Some states have lousy people, some have hurricanes or tornadoes, some floods, some power outages or landslides, some actually have personal property taxes and high cost of living. You have to decide where you live based on the whole package.

In NY, it depends on where the LGS is compared to the County Hall. In my case, the last handgun I bought was home in my safe 1 1/2 hours after I left the house. That included the trip to the LGS, then to the County Bldg, and then back to the shop to pick it up. Inconvenience? Maybe. Losing power for days on end because the grid in the whole state went down? Now, THAT'S insurmountable......LOL.
 
All a matter of personal preference. Some states have lousy people, some have hurricanes or tornadoes, some floods, some power outages or landslides, some actually have personal property taxes and high cost of living. You have to decide where you live based on the whole package. In NY, it depends on where the LGS is compared to the County Hall. In my case, the last handgun I bought was home in my safe 1 1/2 hours after I left the house. That included the trip to the LGS, then to the County Bldg, and then back to the shop to pick it up. Inconvenience? Maybe. Losing power for days on end because the grid in the whole state went down? Now, THAT'S insurmountable......LOL.

I'm not sure I see the connection. Yes, people can choose where they want to live. BUT in the case of a bill like H.R. 127, draconian gun laws are going to be rammed down everyone's throats. You are lucky in that you have the power of choice to move out of New York and into a gun friendly state. In the unlikely event that H.R. 127 does get passed...I and many others won't have a choice regardless of what state we live in.
 
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All a matter of personal preference. Some states have lousy people, some have hurricanes or tornadoes, some floods, some power outages or landslides, some actually have personal property taxes and high cost of living. You have to decide where you live based on the whole package.

I remember when I moved from Maryland to PA at the end of 2004, the first thing I did was to buy some 30 round magazines for my AR-15, something I couldn't do in Maryland.
 

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