I was trained in the military to do as Collects said, visually inspect that the weapon is unloaded AND stick your finger in the empty chamber to confirm that it is empty. I do this with all of my rifles and pistols.
Unloading your gun.
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Knob creek doesn't allow you to have any guns loaded on their property until your on the range and range master calls range is hot.
Worked for me for a long time too. Have to admit that, at least with older weapon designs, so long as you performed the slide rack with vigor and had your hand in a position to let the round clear the slide before catching it, there wasn't much of an issue.
The problem is, that not all folks managed to do everything right all the time and incidents happened. Some new weapons have minimal clearance between primer & ejector that make the possibility of firing the round instead of ejecting it much more likely.
Simply a better idea all around to let the round drop free. Tilting the weapon outboard also shields the face better with most designs. Doesn't do much for Berettas.
Those I met who managed to fire a .45 ACP round got off with around 15-20% loss of function, sometimes less. The same event with either 9mm or .40 S&W is much, much more severe due to them working at about double the pressure.
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Chuck1217
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Just wanta say I'm glad no one was hurt, too. But I NEVER- absolutely NEVER- have my finger near the trigger until I ahve looked. When I first started shooting semi's I read a LOT, and saw the warnings about NDs. Decided then, ain;t gonna happen- obviously we never know- but I have trained myself to LOOK- LOOK- lock it back a,d LOOK. Yall get the idea. In fact the only time I ever pull a trigger when unloading is on my SD9, and only then because you have to pull before you fieldstrip.
Doug M.
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Ok, I see the range rules causing this, but I admit I generally avoid places like that. Our training was that the range is always hot until the end of the session, and only then were there to be unloaded firearms. The classes I take now are the same. The first thing I do when I get to carbine class is put on my duty belt and pistol (I am retired from LE now, but use the belt for these classes) and make sure the pistol is in fighting condition. I do that before I walk the dog, unload my gear, anything.
Clearing barrels. Oh lord save me. The command personnel who impose that clown shoe garbage as a substitute for a fighting mindset and good training in weapons handling should be flogged before their firing. Empty weapons in a combat zone? Really?
Clearing barrels. Oh lord save me. The command personnel who impose that clown shoe garbage as a substitute for a fighting mindset and good training in weapons handling should be flogged before their firing. Empty weapons in a combat zone? Really?
NCW Ray
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Years back I was in the same room where a guy was showing his friend some trigger work he had done on his S&W REVOLVER. He had handed it to the other guy loaded and the guy opened the cylinder and when doing so rounds fell to the floor. He closed the cylinder and reached down and scooped up what he thought was 6 rounds when in fact he only picked up 5. He drew a bead on a nail head on the wall squeezed the trigger and BANG! Being we were inside a small room was it ever loooouuuud! It didn't help matters either that it was a .357mag! I think I lost some hearing that day!
SO just because it's a REVOLVER doesn't mean you don't need to engage the brain while handling firearms!
Yes sir, if you come on knob creek gun range with a loaded gun, your asked to leave NOW, even your conceal carry gun. Every top and bottom of the hour the range master calls clear and everyone has to remove ammo from guns, and put there little red flags in the barrel. If your caught with a loaded gun or a gun being pointed anywhere but down range, your gone. Hey, its 10 bucks and you can shoot all day.
Doug M.
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Their range, their rules. They might even be necessary for the circumstances under which they operate. It would be aberrant and abhorrent to me because of my background, but ... they get to make and have those rules.
JJEH
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We did that only with the rifles... not the pistols...
That's exactly what I do every time as well.
Always lock the slide back and get visual confirmation that it is indeed empty.
I also always unload and lock the slide prior to handing it to someone else (friend, etc) to look at.
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crofoot629
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While employed as a Deputy Sheriff a Sergeant of mine, cleaned his back-up J-frame, loaded it, and pulled the trigger in his office.
The sheetrock, his hearing, and pride were the only casualties.
A simple brain fart.
Emory
MaximumLawman
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If you have to cycle the slide more than once to tell if a semi auto is empty....You're doing something wrong.....If you're going to cycle the slide more than once to "be sure" your gun is empty, you should do ALL the steps more than once. Drop the mag, or go through the motion of hitting the mag release, lock the slide back and check the chamber for a round again.
Sort of reminds me of the guys at work who unload their 870's by cycling the action 10 times in rapid succession...."It's only a 4 or 5-shooter so it MUST be empty by now!"
Sort of reminds me of the guys at work who unload their 870's by cycling the action 10 times in rapid succession...."It's only a 4 or 5-shooter so it MUST be empty by now!"
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Lineman73
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Not negligent!!
Sorry buddy, but negligent discharge is a politically correct way of saying that your brother screwed up BIG TIME!!
He did not have his mind concentrating on what he was doing and luckily nothing was hurt but a window.
However, you are right that this incident may serve as an example to all shooters/gun handlers out there to pay very close attention to what you are doing all the time!! Remember that once it leaves the barrel, there is nothing on God's green earth that can be done to bring that bullet back! The results are forever and you will have to live with it!!
-Drop the mag
-Rack the slide to eject the chambered round
-VISUALLY inspect the chamber to verify empty
-Close slide
-Point in a safe direction and pull the trigger
-NOW the pistol is unloaded!!!!
Sorry buddy, but negligent discharge is a politically correct way of saying that your brother screwed up BIG TIME!!
He did not have his mind concentrating on what he was doing and luckily nothing was hurt but a window. However, you are right that this incident may serve as an example to all shooters/gun handlers out there to pay very close attention to what you are doing all the time!! Remember that once it leaves the barrel, there is nothing on God's green earth that can be done to bring that bullet back! The results are forever and you will have to live with it!!
-Drop the mag
-Rack the slide to eject the chambered round
-VISUALLY inspect the chamber to verify empty
-Close slide
-Point in a safe direction and pull the trigger
-NOW the pistol is unloaded!!!!
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Dmaxboy08
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anytime you are at the range and you are not firing, the slide should always be locked back, pointed down range with the mag(s) laying beside it.
The greatest weapon in the world is a persons brain. Sometimes it can be agaisnt you tho and it will win sooner or later. When dealing with firearms, the post important part on your body is your eyes and finger. If you use those correctly you will do just fine.
The greatest weapon in the world is a persons brain. Sometimes it can be agaisnt you tho and it will win sooner or later. When dealing with firearms, the post important part on your body is your eyes and finger. If you use those correctly you will do just fine.
Mickey D
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Many states require the gun to be unloaded and secured while transporting.
66Park
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You have to be careful with revolvers, too. It's certainly easier to mess up with a semi auto, but I've seen rounds not completely eject on a revolver, especially with rubber grips, and if you're not observant and careful, that can be a disaster as well.
Ilike9mm
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I am the one who would always say: "how can people be so stupid to NOT know the gun is loaded".
Had to "eat crow" on that one, I had an ND...no further comment.
Had to "eat crow" on that one, I had an ND...no further comment.
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