Marvin Gardens
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UPS Store wouldn't ship rifle stock
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charlie sherrill
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He wouldn't have gotten my $4.00.
Was it an actual UPS store, or one of those Mail Box Etc type places? In any case, I think I'd contact UPS and ask them if that is truly what their policy is.
As for mailing a stock, you should be able to do that via USPS. I know you can't mail the frame via USPS, since it is serialized and considered the "gun" part of the gun, but I sent a 1911 slide (only) to Springfield Armory via USPS to have night sights installed on it.
As for mailing a stock, you should be able to do that via USPS. I know you can't mail the frame via USPS, since it is serialized and considered the "gun" part of the gun, but I sent a 1911 slide (only) to Springfield Armory via USPS to have night sights installed on it.
Charlie, at $4.00 the store owner probably lost money on the deal, to me that's revenge.
fat tom
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No wonder nobody can find a job. The MORONS have 'em all! 
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LVSteve
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MANY UPS front people make this stuff up as they go along or certain anti-gun managers do it for them. Taking in a print out of their own regs SOMETIMES works but you will still be viewed as a puppy kicking child molester for showing them up. You can also complain at the main UPS website. Not guaranteed to fix anything but you never know.
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bluegrassarms
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Unless they've changed since I last looked it up that's utter nonsense, which of course isn't news to anyone. Like LVSteve said, this is just someone making up their own rules at some level in the system.
The local post office in the town where I do some business wont' ship guns even from dealers. It's black letter postal regulation that we can do it, but they won't. If a federal office does it I'm sure it's rife in FedEx/UPS where you have all kinds of management layers and franchise deals.
The local post office in the town where I do some business wont' ship guns even from dealers. It's black letter postal regulation that we can do it, but they won't. If a federal office does it I'm sure it's rife in FedEx/UPS where you have all kinds of management layers and franchise deals.
bluegrassarms
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Marvin Gardens -- (great name btw) --
You should break down a gun and ship it in multiple packages to that store for pickup. Go in, get the packages, open them and reassemble the gun on the counter, thank them and walk out.
OK, maybe not worth the trouble. lol.
You should break down a gun and ship it in multiple packages to that store for pickup. Go in, get the packages, open them and reassemble the gun on the counter, thank them and walk out.
OK, maybe not worth the trouble. lol.
Frank46
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The local mall type UPS store tells me they cannot ship firearms but they can ship ammo. I went to the hub for ups and told the nice lady what I was sending. Does he have a copy of his ffl on file? is it a residence of business or residential address?. And a bunch of other stupid questions. Finally she agrees to take the package. I told her that under federal law is it perfectly legal for me to ship this barrelled action to be repaired, customized, reblued. She acknolowedged that it was. They could not ship air only ground. Anyway soon will be getting a nice winchester model of 1917 satin blued, shiney blued bolt and the duck pond filled in and drilled and tapped for weaver grand slam steel bases. BBl length is 22" and a mint bore. Oh yeah sent in the buttplate and screws with it. The satin blue is done by first bead blasting then bluing. Got a great 1917 canadian marked stock for it that I redid. can't wait. Sorry to have drifted off topic. Frank
Bob R
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Joe Blow, without an FFL can use USPS to ship long guns IAW the law. FFL to FFl can use USPS for pistols.
I have shipped several long guns via the post office, never had an issue.
I would point you toward the USPS regulation on that, but I am tired and done for the night. It is easy enough to find though.
bob
Similarly I took a revolver side plate to "Things Remembered" store at the mall to have it engraved. Not the whole revolver, just the side plate.
Stupidly, I told the store manager what it was.
"Mister, That's part of a gun. I don't care what part, any part of a gun can kill you and I don't want my employees getting hurt. Now GET IT OUT OF HERE!!"
I just threw her a cockeyed grin, shook my head and said: "Yes, Ma'am. Whatever you say..."
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It appears the clerk was (technically) right. A gun "frame" is considered part of a firearm and there are restrictions for shipping. Goggle search "firearms shipping UPS" for details. These UPS regulations were probably written by a team of lawyers with CYA in mind. If shipping firearms and components were a substantial part of their income I don't doubt the regulations would be less restrictive. Stick with USPS.
I should have been more clear in my post, but I was talking about shipping the frame of a pistol via USPS.
Frankly, I don't understand why the average non-FFL citizen can't ship via USPS, as long as they declare it. As much as the USPS says they are hurting for money, it seems they go out of their way to avoid business. They will ship lots of junk mail, though.
The UPS Store owner was completely correct! I owned a "The UPS Store" franchise and in the UPS regulations regarding retail store operations the corporate gurus and their legal beagles clearly stated NO retail store may ship any firearm or firearm part through the UPS system. If he is found to be shipping firearms or parts of - he can lose his franchise license (in plain speak if they take his store he loses about $200k.) They reiterated this regulation yearly and sent email to stores on a regular basis on what is prohibited to ship. That and the fact that occasionally he could get visits from regulatory agencies like the postal inspectors, ATF or DEA etc. will make him think twice about shipping anything deemed "illegal" by UPS. The parent company could take his store (which is a franchise) with no recourse for the store owner. Also, the MBE (Mail Boxes Etc.) is owned by UPS and is considered an "indirect susidiary" of UPS. So it doesn't matter what name you see. So, my point is, give the guy a break - he can't break the company imposed rules and risk losing his store because your inconvienced. And niether can FedEx Office retail locations ship firearms or any part thereof.You have to take them to a terminal.
So, if you are the franchise owner are you willing to risk losing $200k invested in your franchise and some questions from ATF and your out of business because some guy walks in and thinks he is exempt from the regulations that you have to live by? Also, I think now you have to show picture I.D. so that can help trace back to the sender (thanks to Homeland Security)..
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Steve in Vermont
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I believe some people, who know nothing about firearms, would call a stock a frame. They might say a stock "frames" a gun. Just a matter of semantics.
konertjm
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From FedEx rules:
Effective Date July 9, 2012
Item 780
Rule
Prohibited or Restricted Articles
...Edit alcohol restrictions...
Firearms
Carrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
Carrier cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.
Upon presenting the goods for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to Carrier is required to notify Carrier that the shipment contains a firearm. The outside of the package(s) must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package(s) contains a firearm.
The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
Carrier will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
...END OF RULE...
This is one reason I use FedEx. The other is that I have a FedEx account, and pack my own shipments, print label etc. Take to FedEx, they scan and done. No filling out a form stating contents (this is for non-firearm shipments), or waiting in line for other people to be serviced.
Effective Date July 9, 2012
Item 780
Rule
Prohibited or Restricted Articles
...Edit alcohol restrictions...
Firearms
Carrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
Carrier cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.
Upon presenting the goods for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to Carrier is required to notify Carrier that the shipment contains a firearm. The outside of the package(s) must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package(s) contains a firearm.
The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
Carrier will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
...END OF RULE...
This is one reason I use FedEx. The other is that I have a FedEx account, and pack my own shipments, print label etc. Take to FedEx, they scan and done. No filling out a form stating contents (this is for non-firearm shipments), or waiting in line for other people to be serviced.
konertjm
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Also, I am a homebrewer, and it can be tricky shipping to a competition. This is why I like shipping and not having to state the contents. In times where they asked it was always 'Yeast Samples" or "Preserves".
Which is true.
Which is true.
Arik
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They are all weird. None of them follow any type of logic. In May i sold my 1006 and shipped it through a UPS store. They were a little hesitant but did it. Another UPS store woundnt ship a mag.
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The store you shipped from took the risk and actually did you no favors in that had the package been identified as a firearm it would have been stopped where ever it was in the system and returned back to you. At that point you would probably would have a visit for ATF at the time your firearm was returned. I know some stores will do it but they are shaking the dice hoping it doesn't come up snakeyes.
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