Using Transmission Oil To Clean Guns.

Liquid Wrench is what I grab for when dealing with rusted , stuck bolt , screws etc . I used Marvel Mystery Oil for gun cleaning for years . Now I use it or Kroil , whichever I happen to grab . For lack of those in the past I have used diesel fuel to clean a gun with . It worked just fine . I'm not much of one to use / try " home brew concoctions " , esp for gun cleaners . Regards, Paul
 
My go to cleaner for years even before I heard of Ed's Red has been kerosene and ATF. I've tried adding more aggressive mineral spirits/acetone but I'm not sure it's necessary.

The difference in ATFs is the additive package and not going to affect it's use on firearms.

I mix kerosene and ATF about 90/10 mixed in a 1 quart spray bottle and use it like a pressure washer! The "smutz" gets caught in paper towels in a metal cake pan!

For really bad copper fouling Hoppe's, for really bad revolver cylinder fouling get a sonic cleaner bath.

For lube I use ATF if it rotates, Lubriplate 105 Assembly Lube if it slides!

Smiles,
 
When you Do It Yourself". You don't have to depend on stores or anybody.

And it's waaay more fun and satisfying. Many "dedicated" gun cleaning/maintenance products are just plain old every day cleaning stuff relabeled. I have used a of of Marvel's Mystery Oil, and some ATF (ATF has good lubricating qualities, good temperature resistance, acts well as a penetrating oil, and contains detergents). I keep a container of my "soak" on my bench which consists of Marvel's Mystery Oil or ATF, mineral spirits and some Kroil. Excellent cleaning solvent...

Except to get the ingredients and supplies you need.
. Yep, but most of the "do it yerself" supplies are already in some folks' garage or under the kitchen sink, and there is no need to go to a gun shop or the sporting goods section of the local box store for "gun stuff"...:p
 
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delta-419,

I became a believer in ATF/Acetone when given a Sharps percussion carbine relic to "fix"; you know, a relic relative to firearms is a gun dug out of the dirt after years and years, a corroded chunk of steel, as in a bunch of parts frozen solid. That Sharps is now operational with new springs and wood, and the owner shoots it regularly. Factory roll marks not completely rusted away are now readable again. It was soaked for two months in a sealed container that was also agitated by being driven around in the back of a pickup. The only thing that would speed it up is an electro vibrator.

Acetone has very 'light ends', in plain English that means it evaporates readily as we know. And will need replenishing unless the part with soaking solution is in a sealed container. A piece of schedule 40, 4" plastic drain conduit with end caps glued on both ends, long enough for the barreled action. Fill the container as full as possible to eliminate air space and evaporation. I also made the tube a little longer than needed, so after cutting off the cap to check progress, if not soaked long enough I could glue on another cap. Once it's sealed, confirm it won't leak.

The guy I restored it for actually bent the lever trying to work the action open when it was frozen/rusted solid! The action didn't budge. So I still marvel at how smooth it operates after the soaking treatment. The metal is so clean, a plain bare gunmetal gray. Like when Naval jelly is used to remove surface rust. Then I fixed the bent lever.


Best Solution for rust removal and freeing rusted SOLID parts.

As shown below, the scientific test proven top solution is not an off the shelf rust or corrosion product, and in fact exceeds them all. And off the shelf products are far from equally effective. Kano Kroil tops them all in testing and some are just a flat waste of money.
Just a few representative tested products quoted in test results including the hands down winner: 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone. Cruddy guns are a piece of cake to clean with this solution.

Average load (Lbs) to release a rusted/corroded test bolt and PRICE PER FLUID OUNCES:

W/O penetrant.................516 pounds … $0.00
WD-40.............................238 pounds … $0.25
PBBlaster ....................... 214 pounds … $0.35
LiquidWrench ..................127 pounds … $0.21
KanoKroil ........................106 pounds*… $0.75
ATF-Acetone 50/50 mix.....53 pounds**.. $0.10


* I’m not aware of KanoKroil removing bluing but may remove patina SINCE IT'S ACTUALLY JUST FINE RUST. Recognize the ATF will not remove bluing.


**Note: 53 lbs. was the load required to release the pre-corroded testing device.
SOURCE: April/May 2007 edition of MACHINIST'S WORKSHOP scientific test of penetrating products to remove rust and measure the force required to loosen rusted-solid test devices. 2007 edition of MACHINIST'S WORKSHOP - Google Search

They are all inferior to (well down the list in test results as can be seen above), and more expensive than ATF, good old tranny fluid. None of the other products have or will ever have the years and level of research and engineering to remove crud and/or rust, keep spotless, and sustain the life of a $4000+ and higher, piece of high tech equipment; your automatic transmission! It's also the least expensive product.

So if you have two parts cruddy or corroded together solid and want them apart, the only thing better than ATF, again as test proven, is a 50/50 solution of ATF and acetone. Nothing approaches its efficacy and performance, nothing. Just soak and agitate, period!

AGITATION IS THE CRITICAL ACTION TO SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS NO MATTER WHAT PRODUCTS YOU USE!

This has been discussed here before albeit that doesn't translate to everyone having had the opportunity to see it.

I hope this is helpful,
 
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The Machinist's Workshop study results and procedure are discussed in
AvE's video, here (salty language warning, not for schoolgirls):

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeTNXbDbHcM[/ame]
 
This one seems has different results:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEob2oAKVs[/ame]

But realistically more soaking time for comparative results might have more accurate results. Vibration would help all products so likely 'a wash' since it would probably improve all results equally.
 
Gun guy I know who cleans up the ancient ones uses 6 inch pvc with thc caps glued on. Saws in half lengthwise and puts in non-detergent motor oil and the metal. Lets it just sit for 3-4 months, takes the metal out and wipes it off. Seems the best way if You are not in a hurry. Altho if You are in a hurry, You know what usually happens.
 
I'm told Stoddard solvent is simply kerosene ??? I love Ed Harris' Red. And the lanolin is there for protection. Anhydrous lanolin, that is. (Contains no water)..
 
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