Victory data base

Hi, I recently came into possession of a nice Victory. Serial number is V278115. If you have an idea of a ship date, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Hello Randy:

Your Victory likely shipped from the factory in the May-June, 1943 time frame.

Can you tell us more about it? I would like to add that information to the Database. We like to have caliber, barrel length, finish, type of stocks, left top strap markings, any butt markings other than the serial, and any post-factory markings or modifications.

Hope that helps you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Hi everyone,

I'm new (WW2 collector from switzerland) to this forum and have a S&W victory to submit ! I search any information about an approximative date of fabrication ?

US PROPERTY G.H.D
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S marking on the pistol grip
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Serial Number : V602004
Barrel: 5 inches

Caliber: .38 S&W
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Two sorts of british markings
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Does somebody have any information about the black finish and the strange markings ?
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Thanks in advance and best regards !
Sorry in advance for any grammar and vocabulary mistake in my post, english isn't my first language !
Militariaman
 

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Hello. Perhaps someone could provide me with some info on my victory. Serial # V 399579. 5” barrel. All in original condition with matching numbers throughout. Grips are walnut. There are no property marks on the revolver. It’s not blued it’s more a galvanized color of steel. Any info is much appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 
...I search any information about an approximative date of fabrication ?

Two sorts of british markings. Does somebody have any information about the black finish and the strange markings ?

Sorry in advance for any grammar and vocabulary mistake in my post, english isn't my first language ! Militariaman

Hello Militariaman:

Welcome to the Forum. Your English and grammar are excellent as are your photos which are a big help in interpreting your revolver. From those I can tell you the following.

S&W did not typically record the date of manufacture of its firearms. Instead, it kept records of shipping dates from the factory. Your revolver likely shipped from the factory in the June-July, 1944 time frame. It was a Lend Lease gun.

The markings on the side plate of FTR and 53 indicate that your revolver underwent a post-war Factory Thorough Repair by the British military in 1953.

The odd black, paint-like finish you noted is known as "Suncorite" (sometimes spelled "Sunkorite"). It was a durable finish that was specified by the British military for use on many rebuilt firearms and accessories. It had some adverse environmental aspects so its use was eventually discontinued. The Suncorite finish on your revolver was almost certainly applied when it went through the FTR process in 1953.

The precise meaning of the S mark on the toe of the front grip strap is unknown to me. I can say that it is not a marking that is frequently observed on the Victory revolvers. S marks in other locations do have well known significance but I do not think that they are applicable to this mark in this particular location.

On the left frame aft of the cylinder latch the markings are rather hard to read but in that location appear to me to be a version of Broad Arrow /|\ over a Crown over a sideways E. This indicates that the revolver was British military property which had been inspected at the British arsenal at Enfield. That mark on your revolver is somewhat unusual for two reasons.

First, as a Lend Lease gun this revolver remained the property of the United States government and was only "lent" to the British. Thus, the presence of the Broad Arrow markings is contrary to terms under which the revolver was supplied to the British. This is a fine legal point that was undoubtedly ignored in the exigencies of a world war.

Second, this marking is not usually observed on revolvers that were shipped as late in the War as this one in mid-1944. Indeed, the use of this marking is most frequently observed on the revolvers that were direct purchases by the British in 1940-1941, not Lend Lease guns. The direct purchase guns were owned outright by the British and so it was right and proper that they be so marked.

You have a very interesting Victory. I hope that this information helps you to better understand its history.

Regards,
Charlie
 
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Hello. Perhaps someone could provide me with some info on my victory. Serial # V 399579. 5” barrel. All in original condition with matching numbers throughout. Grips are walnut. There are no property marks on the revolver. It’s not blued it’s more a galvanized color of steel. Any info is much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Hello Lolo:

Your Victory likely shipped from the factory in the August, 1944 time frame. With a 5 inch barrel it almost certainly is a .38 S&W (.38-200) chambered gun. It most likely was a Lend Lease item. It's original finish was Black Magic. I'd have to see a photo or two in order to determine if your revolver maintains its original finish.

Hope that helps you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Victory V278115

Hi Charlie,
Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you on this revolver. It is a 4 inch in 38 special. The serial number on the grip frame has a small ordinance flaming ball stamp before the V and a small stake-like punch mark after the serial number. The top left top strap has a small ordinance flaming ball stamp preceding"U.S. PROPERTY'G.H.D.
The finish appears to be the factory "black magic" finish. The grips are the appropriate smooth walnut and the swivel is present. The revolver doesn't appear to be fired much at all as the recoil shield is unmarked. The only downside is someone filed the back of the front sight to form a ramp instead of the traditional half moon shape.

I hope all this helps, thanks for the approximate dating! Happy New Years!
 
I have a victory model I’d love to find some information about and it can be added to the database you have.

Serial # V340027 on the bottom of the grip, and oddly the first 4 V3(4)0027 is stamped over another number; however it matches the serial number V340027 on the cylinder and under the barrel. It is marked 38 S&W however it has been bored to shoot 38SPL at some point in time. There are crown marks on every cartridge entrance to each cylinder, appears to be a crown with an upside down T. The right side of the barrel has a flaming mortar looking symbol with the letters NP (I think).

Above the 38S&W inscription is the inscription .38 1-15 followed by a symbol I can’t read, then the number 4 and the letters TOM (the M is very faint and could be a N).

One line Made in U.S.A with a crown and T symbol underneath. There is a small P near the V on the bottom of the grip. And underneath the non-serialized stocks (maybe a beautiful walnut) on the right side is the letter A and on the left side a number 13 about middle ways up with another crown symbol towards the bottom left. The crane number on yoke and cylinder is 933 91 and there is an inscription S5 above the yoke number.

It has a 3.5” barrel, and blued and belonged to my great uncle who was a service member in the army but shortly after WW2. Any information you have would be awesome! Please see attached pictures.
 

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Thanks Charlie for the big amount of information about my S&W Victory :cool:!

The marks on the left frame aft of the cylinder latch that you thinks are maybe a broad arrow don't seem to be one look at the close up pics (pictures one and two) !
It more seems to be à crown on two letter (second one is propably an R). Below seems to be some crossing line and at the bottom a P.

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Third image is a "similar" markings on a britsh Webley Mark I own!
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Any idea of the meaning ?

Best Regards and an Happy new year !
 
Hello Militariaman:

Thanks for the additional pictures. They require me to modify my earlier supposition about the markings which were to me rather indistinct. The Webley photo of the same marks clears it up.

The Crown over G.R. over Crossed Pennants over a P is a type of British proof mark. The Crown over G.R. refers to Georgius Rex, or King George VI. He was King of England from 1936 until his death in 1952. The crossed items are pennants, a military proof mark as is the P. Similar marks are found on a variety of British small arms from that era including the Enfield .303 rifles. It is not a marking that is commonly found on the Victory.

I hope that additional information is helpful to you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
I have a victory model I’d love to find some information about and it can be added to the database you have.

Serial # V340027 on the bottom of the grip, and oddly the first 4 V3(4)0027 is stamped over another number; however it matches the serial number V340027 on the cylinder and under the barrel. It is marked 38 S&W however it has been bored to shoot 38SPL at some point in time. There are crown marks on every cartridge entrance to each cylinder, appears to be a crown with an upside down T. The right side of the barrel has a flaming mortar looking symbol with the letters NP (I think).

Above the 38S&W inscription is the inscription .38 1-15 followed by a symbol I can’t read, then the number 4 and the letters TOM (the M is very faint and could be a N).

One line Made in U.S.A with a crown and T symbol underneath. There is a small P near the V on the bottom of the grip. And underneath the non-serialized stocks (maybe a beautiful walnut) on the right side is the letter A and on the left side a number 13 about middle ways up with another crown symbol towards the bottom left. The crane number on yoke and cylinder is 933 91 and there is an inscription S5 above the yoke number.

It has a 3.5” barrel, and blued and belonged to my great uncle who was a service member in the army but shortly after WW2. Any information you have would be awesome! Please see attached pictures.

Hello Chief:

Your revolver was already in the Database. It appears that it likely shipped from the factory in the June-July, 1943 time frame. It was a Lend Lease gun.

Your revolver was modified post-war by re-chambering it from .38 S&W to .38 Special, refinishing it to blue, cutting the 5" barrel to 3.5", adding a new front sight, and replacing the stocks.

The non-factory markings you referred to are post-war British commercial proof marks applied after it left military service.

I hope that information is helpful to you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Thank you! I had a friend do some research last year so he must have had it added. Can you tell me what the mortar symbol with the NP lettering stands for? Just trying to learn something!
 
V1917

I recently acquired the above numbered Victory model in 38spl. Unfortunately, it has been refinished in a satin like finish. Reminds me of the model 28 finish. It came with diamond magna stocks. Underneath the stocks there is a letter S on the frame. I thought it might be an indication of the addition of the hammer block safety, but when I opened it up that was not the case. What doe the "S" indicate?

I also was interested in arsenal rework and refinishing. What finish would be put over an early Victory Black Magic finish. Is there a way of finding out more of the history of this gun past the ship date that a letter would provide. Will add photos soon.
 

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V1917 ...What does the "S" indicate?

I also was interested in arsenal rework and refinishing. What finish would be put over an early Victory Black Magic finish. Is there a way of finding out more of the history of this gun past the ship date that a letter would provide.

Hello gmarshall99:

In some circumstances the S mark in certain locations can indicate that a gun has been worked on by the S&W Service Department. Given the limited photos provided I will venture that this is not the case here. The S mark on your revolver is most likely a fitter's, assembler's or inspector's mark. It is of little consequence.

I have never seen any evidence that any government arsenal "reworked" or refinished to blue 4 inch .38 Special Victory Model revolvers. The government did enter into a contract with S&W during late WW2 to rebuild Victory revolvers but those guns were refinished to Black Magic and have other markings that reveal a rebuild under that contract.

My opinion is that your revolver was refinished while in civilian hands and not by S&W or by any government arsenal.

As to any history beyond what might be provided in a SWHF letter the only source I can suggest would be the Springfield Research Service. I would caution you that finding a serial number listed by SRS is a very long shot and you have to subscribe to their service to be able to access that. See the link: Services |

I hope that information is helpful to you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Here is my Victory

Submitting my one Victory for the data base, V716002 in 38 SPCL. I learned from the letter how the markings for US Navy Victory’s varied during the war production. Manufactured in the latter part of 1944, this revolver’s top strap is marked “(bomb) U. S. Property GHD”; and was ultimately shipped to the US Navy. The pistol belt and Brauer Bros. holster shown came with it when I purchased it.
 

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Timothy:

That is a fine looking Navy Victory and rig.

Thanks very much for providing your factory letter. The data has now been incorporated into the Database.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Serial V 695830 4 inch 38 Special with bright blue

Hi there. Seeking info and opinion on:
1. Manufacture date

2. Since the cylinder has the Crown BNG ENGLAND proof mark, does it mean this is a land lease model? Or a post-war mix parts firearm. (The cylinder has "v" and "400003" markings on the side of the surface where the ammo cartridge is inserted).

3. If the cylinder is a land lease for Breat Britian, shouldn't it be 38 S&W instead of 38 Special ?

4. Adding the commercial blue, barrel says 38 Special (i.e. not 38 S&W), and it has a British crown cylinder, what is this boy ? ; )

5. The barrel's blue is in better condition than the frame. Does it look to be a "home changed" barrel ?

Thank you for the time.

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The cylinder and barrel have been replaced. The barrel is post-war. It's odd that they used a BSR cylinder since it was probably .38 S&W and would have to be reamed out to fire .38 Special.
 
Information NEEDED

Hi everyone,

I have a second S&W victory to submit ! I search any information about an approximative date of fabrication ?

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US PROPERTY
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Serial Number : 981007
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W.B. Markings
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Barrel: 5 inches
Caliber: .38 S&W
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NO british markings

Look at attached pictures for better view

Thanks in advance and best regards !

Militariaman
 
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