Video of Bad stop of CCW holder in Ohio
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photoman
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I think this point truly explains the officers reaction after finding out about the gun. He screwed up big time and he knew it! He realized how easily he could've been dead because of his fouling up a stop and reacted with anger.
Noah Vaile
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Another source tells us that he was letting the two people out of his car. The woman had already gotten out, but the man had not when the police pulled up. The police had no cause, probable or other wise to harass these three. They just chose to. The cop had no reason to conduct a search of the back seat.
This cop was out of control from the moment the "stop" began. The citizen was in his Right (2d Amendment) to be carrying, and his privileges, the CCW permit. The cop threatened him, all of them, his life several times- constantly reiterating that he'd beat the crxp out of him if he said a word. The driver did try to inform the cop(s) several times only to be told to shut up.
Bad cop. Bad stop. Check out the cops record (on The Blaze: Angry Canton Police Officer Daniel Harless Threatens William Bartlett Suspended | TheBlaze.com ) and see that he has had a n umber of problems in the past. Or, more to the point, "we", the public have had problems in the past.
Noah Vaile
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I can only guess at what happened here. I am limited in being able to "Monday Morning Quarterback" what happened. In my experience being retired from NYPD, the officers had "reasonable suspicion to "Stop and question" these individuals, mainly due to prior knowledge of one subjects criminal back ground. If it was a pros or drug prone location, this adds to it.
If this was NYC, I would remove all three of them from the vehicle. In NYC "consent" searches are usually nil, we don't generally use that exception. NY courts have ruled that people are intimidated when asked if the Police can search, so civilians do not really give their consent. So in NYC, I would not have searched the car, unless I had someone under arrest and I was searching the "lungable distance" from the perp or to inventory the car for invoice. Outside NY, PO's may be under different guidelines.
In actuality, in my head I would know that these 3 were up to no good. But I pick my battles. I probably would have used the "common law right of inquiry" to talk to them, which may shake them up a bit and send them on their way.
I saw the video, he had ample opportunity to advise the PO searching the car. Second guessing, the PO's should have locked everyone up, if they had probable cause. It may have brought all the elements together to justify actions.
I am also not impressed that he had 16 IAD investigations. I worked the ghetto areas in NYC, it was almost a matter of course that the defense attorney have the defendent file a civilian complaint against the arresting PO.
People here would really be horrified if they saw what would happen to a perp, being tossed, when they lie about not having hypodermic needles on them.
I would never ever talk like that PO did, knowing I was on camera. I still have no sympathy for someone cc'ing while looking for pros or drugs.
After just watching the video, I'll play quarterback too.
Suspicion is one thing. Maybe the guy was up to no good. Maye not. But since nobody will ever know, it's moot point.
I'm not a cop hater, but this cop needs to loose his job and his pension. But I'm sure that won't happen.
Not only was he unprofessional, but he was also downright stupid. And he had the nerve to call the guy stupid.
Five minutes went by before being approached. Want was the second officer doing? He was still in the car. He didn't run the plate and see that the guy had a permit? Maybe they're both stupid.
A lot of mistakes were made. All by the cops. I can't place any blame on the citizen other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that's not a reason to treat someone is that manner.
Suspicion is one thing. Maybe the guy was up to no good. Maye not. But since nobody will ever know, it's moot point.
I'm not a cop hater, but this cop needs to loose his job and his pension. But I'm sure that won't happen.
Not only was he unprofessional, but he was also downright stupid. And he had the nerve to call the guy stupid.
Five minutes went by before being approached. Want was the second officer doing? He was still in the car. He didn't run the plate and see that the guy had a permit? Maybe they're both stupid.
A lot of mistakes were made. All by the cops. I can't place any blame on the citizen other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that's not a reason to treat someone is that manner.
cmort666
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The truth is, whether they fire him or not, he's never REALLY going to be a cop again.
- He's got honesty issues.
- He's got judgment issues.
If he EVER uses force, justified or not, he's going to be second guessed seven ways to Sunday.
His service record is going to come under an electron microscope in the civil trial.
His venture into "creative writing" in the arrest report will be used to impeach him ANY time he gets on the stand... which apart from being a DEFENDANT in a civil trial will probably be NEVER AGAIN. Any prosecutor who'd put him on the stand is crazier than he is. He'll be like a chicken leg in a piranha tank to even the greenest defense attorney.
He's going to be a lawsuit magnet, with EVERY arrest, including previous arrests, examined in excruciating detail.
If they don't fire him, put him on mental health disability, or he doesn't quit, they'll have him guarding a desk or some forgotten warehouse. He's just too much trouble to have around. And there are MORE than enough people willing to make SURE that he's too much trouble to have around.
His best bet is to slink off under a rock somewhere like Officer Anthony Abbate, the Chicago cop who stomped the barmaid.
And like Amy Winehouse, he did it to himself.
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geronimo1969
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Canton Cop Flips His Lid!!
Anybody else seen this and know what the possible out come could be?I know we have alot of LEO's on the site;but surely none of u condone this guy's actions or his attitude..
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Anybody else seen this and know what the possible out come could be?I know we have alot of LEO's on the site;but surely none of u condone this guy's actions or his attitude..
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OIF2
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Big on-going discussion of this on the "Concealed carry" sub-forum. Dive in.
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Noah Vaile
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Bad stop. Bad cop.
Noah Vaile
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I think that problems like this LEO are due to the influx of federal money, expanding police departments beyond their capacity to properly screen and, perhaps, to properly train.
I suspect (having some familiarity with the process) that when a department is given a grant to expand its force, and there is, as always, a time limit to make use of the grant, they have to "rush to judgement" and do their best but it is a rush.
They end up making mistakes. This guy is one of those mistakes.
I suspect (having some familiarity with the process) that when a department is given a grant to expand its force, and there is, as always, a time limit to make use of the grant, they have to "rush to judgement" and do their best but it is a rush.
They end up making mistakes. This guy is one of those mistakes.
Noah Vaile
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Apparently, on a prior occasion, he turned his camera off (against department regulation for which he was cited) and had a complaint of harassment/brutality lodged against him for actions during that stop.
This is a "bad cop."
cmort666
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If Canton PD IAD is really on the level, I would expect that they are (or will be) reexamining his other complaints which were not sustained.
I wonder what didn't make its way onto the dashcam in these other incidents.
As numerous people have pointed out, the odds of this being his FIRST time engaging in this sort of behavior are slim to none.
Virtually ALL of the notorious bad cops of recent years had LONG histories, which were either ignored, or in some cases enabled.
geronimo1969
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To me this is dead on..Read everything up to this post;and it's the first one to mention permit in hand...From the time the officer started talking to him to the time he put him in the squad car;he still had the permit in his hand to show them.Seems to me they were more interested in what's his name and not the driver.
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So far the only thing I learned from this incident is to leave the gun at home when you look for a pros or drugs.
The whole thing was like a "Jerry Springer" show, each and every person on that tape, cop's and civilian's a like are idiots.
The whole thing was like a "Jerry Springer" show, each and every person on that tape, cop's and civilian's a like are idiots.
Moonman
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This officer may really be in deep now because of his past record and this video going Viral along with the attention it's gathering. He's on Administrative leave but even the union head is not openly supporting him. A lawsuit is sure to follow.
geronimo1969
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I'm old and slow and forgot about the concealed carry section..
Thanks Phil;forgot about the language thing..
Thanks Phil;forgot about the language thing..Wow! When did this happen?
cmort666
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Unfortunately, that's not considered notification in Ohio. You're expected to VERBALLY notify... which of course Harless prevented.
cmort666
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I learned that if you're going to try to frame a guy with an Ohio CHL for not doing something you prevented him from doing, you make a LOT of highly effective enemies.
You might want to ask Harless how that's working out for him.
