Walmart WW White box 9mm no flash holes

[moxie]

Funny no one who has experienced this problem notes what should be happening. Namely, if the primer goes off and there's no flash hole, there's going to be a decent flash and bang that look and sound different. Not the same as a squib round at all, because the gas from the primer is going to be expelled out from the primer, if not even blowing out around the firing pin. Very strange.

 

[misunderestimated]

Just trying to give everyone a heads up. Maybe next time you'll get your squib.

I greatly appreciate your heads up. Last week end I had some of this ammo fail on me.I went to the range specifically to break in a new gun. First magazine into a range visit and it locked my gun up. Pulled the trigger heard a click and the gun was locked up.When the primer went off there was no place for the energy to go so it forced the shell into the barrel and the primer into the breach face locking the gun up solid needing me to remove the slide from the frame and then force ably removing the barrel from the slide marring my barrel and sight all the time keeping the gun pointed down range not knowing if it was going to discharge the round or not. A very uncomfortable place to be in. I also I figured it was a freak round. I inserted my next magazine and the same thing happened. Unloaded all magazines and then opened the next box of ammo only to have the same failure 2 rounds in. I packed my up gear and went home.

I called Winchester on Monday morning and they gave me the impression I was the only person in the world this has ever happened to.They sent a call tag. I am awaiting on what there plans are

I now look at autos and Winchester in a different way.I am so disappointed that Winchester has not come out to there customers and let us know there is a possible problem.There is no training drill to get you past this malfunction, your gun locks up solid and there is no getting past it.What if one of these rounds get into a firearms that may be used to protect a person life? its apparent from all the chatter on the internet they have known of this problem and are choosing not to be proactive.

So every one can keep saying its affordable ammo,and its one in a million rounds , the problem is we all know and understand that mistakes happen.But when they do happen the company who made the mistake needs to do the right thing. Keeping silent about it is not doing the right thing and is putting people safety at risk. a simple statement on there web site could be all that needed


As stated I am still awaiting there inspection,but was told it could take 4 to 6 weeks.

 

[misunderestimated]

Funny no one who has experienced this problem notes what should be happening. Namely, if the primer goes off and there's no flash hole, there's going to be a decent flash and bang that look and sound different. Not the same as a squib round at all, because the gas from the primer is going to be expelled out from the primer, if not even blowing out around the firing pin. Very strange.

I can tell you I heard the click of my trigger and no bang .

I did not see a flash

But I did smell something different

 

[MichiganScott]

I greatly appreciate your heads up. Last week end I had some of this ammo fail on me.I went to the range specifically to break in a new gun. First magazine into a range visit and it locked my gun up. Pulled the trigger heard a click and the gun was locked up.When the primer went off there was no place for the energy to go so it forced the shell into the barrel and the primer into the breach face locking the gun up solid needing me to remove the slide from the frame and then force ably removing the barrel from the slide marring my barrel and sight all the time keeping the gun pointed down range not knowing if it was going to discharge the round or not. A very uncomfortable place to be in. I also I figured it was a freak round. I inserted my next magazine and the same thing happened. Unloaded all magazines and then opened the next box of ammo only to have the same failure 2 rounds in. I packed my up gear and went home.

I called Winchester on Monday morning and they gave me the impression I was the only person in the world this has ever happened to.They sent a call tag. I am awaiting on what there plans are

I now look at autos and Winchester in a different way.I am so disappointed that Winchester has not come out to there customers and let us know there is a possible problem.There is no training drill to get you past this malfunction, your gun locks up solid and there is no getting past it.What if one of these rounds get into a firearms that may be used to protect a person life? its apparent from all the chatter on the internet they have known of this problem and are choosing not to be proactive.

So every one can keep saying its affordable ammo,and its one in a million rounds , the problem is we all know and understand that mistakes happen.But when they do happen the company who made the mistake needs to do the right thing. Keeping silent about it is not doing the right thing and is putting people safety at risk. a simple statement on there web site could be all that needed


As stated I am still awaiting there inspection,but was told it could take 4 to 6 weeks.

You need to contact the manufacturer of the gun also. If, in fact, the case was forced past the headspace shoulder into the barrel your chamber may well be oversized. Winchester may have done you a favor. If the case is past the shoulder and the powder ignites normally you may well get spontaneous disassembly from high pressure.

 

[David Sinko]

I scavenge literally every problematic loaded round I find discarded or left on the ground at the matches and ranges here in NE PA and pull the bullets to see what's going on and I have never seen a piece of brass that was manufactured without a flash hole. Very interesting.

I have fired a few rounds that were loaded without powder (handloads and factory loaded) and I never heard the primer pop. They sounded exactly like misfires.

Dave Sinko

 

[misunderestimated]

You need to contact the manufacturer of the gun also. If, in fact, the case was forced past the headspace shoulder into the barrel your chamber may well be oversized. Winchester may have done you a favor. If the case is past the shoulder and the powder ignites normally you may well get spontaneous disassembly from high pressure.

No the case was not forced past the head space,it was forced into it needing a screwdriver to assist it out.

And in the skeam of things Winchester did do me a favor, I finally understand and realize why the old time wheel guy's don't trust semi autos.

 

[misunderestimated]

I scavenge literally every problematic loaded round I find discarded or left on the ground at the matches and ranges here in NE PA and pull the bullets to see what's going on and I have never seen a piece of brass that was manufactured without a flash hole. Very interesting.

I have fired a few rounds that were loaded without powder (handloads and factory loaded) and I never heard the primer pop. They sounded exactly like misfires.

Dave Sinko

Pardon my dried out skin I just cleaned the cartridges with solvents so you could see whats missing

the one on the right looks as though they started to drill it and never went thru and the one on the left looks as though nothing was done at all

 

[misunderestimated]

this is what the fired cartridges look like after the primer went off , I am trying to figure out what the extra wrinkle is in the case near the bullet, the unfired ones did not have that. I think that was from being forced into the barrel

 

[moxie]

Those pics are fuzzy but those two rounds look like they have a roll crimp!

I've shot tons of WWB in various calibers for years and never a problem. I bought two of the value packs at Walmart the other day for a class I'm taking, can't use reloads. I haven't shot them yet but did do a 100% visual. This stuff is some of the nicest factory ammo I've ever seen (and I'm a retired munitions guy). Bright, shiny, clean, consistent, nary a waterspot. Primers look perfect. And they pass the "push test." We'll see what happens when I get to the range.

 

[Engineer1911]

This is why I never shoot reloaded ammo. Factory ammo is always safer to shoot and has much better quality control!

I hear my Dillon 550 calling me.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

 

[misunderestimated]

Those pics are fuzzy but those two rounds look like they have a roll crimp!

I've shot tons of WWB in various calibers for years and never a problem. I bought two of the value packs at Walmart the other day for a class I'm taking, can't use reloads. I haven't shot them yet but did do a 100% visual. This stuff is some of the nicest factory ammo I've ever seen (and I'm a retired munitions guy). Bright, shiny, clean, consistent, nary a waterspot. Primers look perfect. And they pass the "push test." We'll see what happens when I get to the range.

Best of luck in your class and yes there rounds almost always look good,

 

[ladyT]

Nothing is perfect. Having shot several 10's of thousands of rounds of WWB, bought from WalMart, I can say I've had no problem with the ammo. None, regardless of caliber.

 

[misunderestimated]

I greatly appreciate your heads up. Last week end I had some of this ammo fail on me.I went to the range specifically to break in a new gun. First magazine into a range visit and it locked my gun up. Pulled the trigger heard a click and the gun was locked up.When the primer went off there was no place for the energy to go so it forced the shell into the barrel and the primer into the breach face locking the gun up solid needing me to remove the slide from the frame and then force ably removing the barrel from the slide marring my barrel and sight all the time keeping the gun pointed down range not knowing if it was going to discharge the round or not. A very uncomfortable place to be in. I also I figured it was a freak round. I inserted my next magazine and the same thing happened. Unloaded all magazines and then opened the next box of ammo only to have the same failure 2 rounds in. I packed my up gear and went home.

I called Winchester on Monday morning and they gave me the impression I was the only person in the world this has ever happened to.They sent a call tag. I am awaiting on what there plans are

I now look at autos and Winchester in a different way.I am so disappointed that Winchester has not come out to there customers and let us know there is a possible problem.There is no training drill to get you past this malfunction, your gun locks up solid and there is no getting past it.What if one of these rounds get into a firearms that may be used to protect a person life? its apparent from all the chatter on the internet they have known of this problem and are choosing not to be proactive.

So every one can keep saying its affordable ammo,and its one in a million rounds , the problem is we all know and understand that mistakes happen.But when they do happen the company who made the mistake needs to do the right thing. Keeping silent about it is not doing the right thing and is putting people safety at risk. a simple statement on there web site could be all that needed


As stated I am still awaiting there inspection,but was told it could take 4 to 6 weeks.

So the ammo went back with a Letter asking for a phone call to explain why this happened and what they were going to do avoid it in the future and why i should continue to trust there product. the letter went un answered even after 2 phone calls asking who would be contacting me. I did get replacement ammo but It ended up being 4 weeks since they received the defective ammo at the factory.I still think a simple note on the web site would educate people of the possible problem. As I have said stuff happens we all know that , but what makes a company a great company that people will want to continue to do business with is how well they deal with a problem when it happens. them trying to pretend it did not happen is wrong.