Wanna see what's wrong with the legal profession?
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LVSteve
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You should see some of the TV lawyer ads in Vegas. Sorry, but an attorney who thinks it is smart to be filmed apparently arriving at work in a black Rolls and greeted by the female modeling staff of Tightdresses.com is unlikely to ever get my business.
Not exactly. The "American rule" generally speaking, means that if you sue someone and lose, you don't have to pay the other party for their attorney fees. But if the suit is truly frivolous, sanctions, including attorney fees, can be imposed.
Moreover, depending upon the particular jurisdiction, the rule doesn't apply to every type of case. It generally applies to tort suits -- such as a personal injury action. In many jurisdictions, the losing party can be ordered to pay the other side's attorney fees in a breach of contract suit, for example, as long as the award isn't contrary to a term of the contract addressing attorney fees.
Beware of the averages, one guy making 3MM a year throws things out of whack.
I dealt with over 50 law firms in my working days, and they were paying their associates around 40k a year. I was always surprised at how little they knew about litigating cases. When I appeared as a witness it was not uncommon for me to have coach our attorney's about how they should handle my testimony as the keeper of the financial records.
The thing I found more frustrating were the number of activist judges who clearly hated financial institutions, and they operated like kings in their county kingdoms.
Bottom line for an attorney operating an individual private practice they have to "kill to eat".
He is everywhere!!
Speak of the devil...
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Yessir, Morgan and Morgan started to advertise out here just a couple of years ago. Some of their billboards are tasteful, and /or professional. Most are silly. I believe it's the senior Morgan who is a prolific Democrat donor there in Florida.
We have Lerner and Rowe presence out here, also. They claim to be residents here in Phoenix, and " raise {their} families" here, also. I had one of their office staffers tell me they spend around 850k per MONTH in advertising. However, I don't if they was for merely here, locally, or in regard to all of their monthly outlay.
The face I see many times per day belongs to Brandon Rafi ..which he pronounces as RAFF-ee. Buses, bus benches, billboards, and AM radio are swamped with his ads.
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The lawyer TV ad I mentioned earlier always shows the mighty head man either getting into or stepping off his private business jet with his entourage.
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Without a doubt. BUT I finally figured out that WE are not the kind of people those ads are directed to. The people to whom those ads are directed are the ones who generally get into the majority of wrecks and situations that need lawyers. And given the amount of money involved, it obviously is working.....
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Won't work. If you sue someone and loose, the person suing, not the attorney is the party who pays. Federal court has Rule 11 which works fairly well. Basically it says to the lawyers "Play nice and play fair or YOU will get popped big time." Louisiana has Code of Civil Procedure Article 683 but the Judges are loathe to use it since they are elected.
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FWIW: A young woman I know is starting as an associate with a law firm in LA in Sept. at over $200K annually. Although I did hear once that the salaries of first year associates were distorted because they work about 80 hrs a week. So It's really like having two $100K jobs.
C'mon, man. It's not like lawyers have a good reputation.
statista.com has "Lawyers" under water on reputation.
Anecdata: When I got divorced 30 years ago (YEAH!), I thought I'd handle it alone. X's lawyer got ridiculous, so I had to get a lawyer. To my SHOCK, yes, shock, he was a really good man, not at all what I expected from lawyers' reputations. I stayed in touch with him for a few years afterwards. Like everything else, there are some good ones and some bad ones.
statista.com has "Lawyers" under water on reputation.
Anecdata: When I got divorced 30 years ago (YEAH!), I thought I'd handle it alone. X's lawyer got ridiculous, so I had to get a lawyer. To my SHOCK, yes, shock, he was a really good man, not at all what I expected from lawyers' reputations. I stayed in touch with him for a few years afterwards. Like everything else, there are some good ones and some bad ones.
Part of the problem is the current idea that if anything bad happens to you, you should get a big wad of money.
If you go in and get a tummy tuck, you will have to sign a pile of forms among them some informing you what can go wrong and requiring you to acknowledge the risks. Yet, anything goes wrong and BINGO lawsuit. Rather than risk going to court the Dr malpractice insurance hands over some cash. this increases his premiums, so he must increase his fees and to cover his fees your insurance must increase their premiums. The only real winners are the insurance companies and the lawyers
If you go in and get a tummy tuck, you will have to sign a pile of forms among them some informing you what can go wrong and requiring you to acknowledge the risks. Yet, anything goes wrong and BINGO lawsuit. Rather than risk going to court the Dr malpractice insurance hands over some cash. this increases his premiums, so he must increase his fees and to cover his fees your insurance must increase their premiums. The only real winners are the insurance companies and the lawyers
[quote…BTW, my wordsmithing isn't outstanding, I've got my share of typos. But reading the OP, I have to wonder if our eminent jurist typed that after deep consultation with a single malt.[/QUOTE]
Spell check kept changing 'shih tzu' to 'ship tsunamies' in another thing I was doing, so I guess there are multiple possibilities in the new advanced technological age.
Spell check kept changing 'shih tzu' to 'ship tsunamies' in another thing I was doing, so I guess there are multiple possibilities in the new advanced technological age.
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So; my last year of policing on the border we had a husband wife attorney duo. She was a High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) funded assistant district attorney; he was a criminal defense attorney mostly working Federal drug cases. At that time and place, nearly all state drug trafficking cases had been initiated by Feds (Customs, Border Patrol) but were dumped into the state system for prosecution, conviction, sentencing, and imprisonment - this was because the marijuana trafficking 'threshold' below which Fed prosecution was always declined was 120 lbs. There were thresholds for heroin and cocaine as well, and the Feds wouldn't prosecute juveniles.
Wonder what kinds of things this couple chatted about at dinner?
Wonder what kinds of things this couple chatted about at dinner?
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Just about 50%, 48% if I remember correctly
For basically doing nothing
Or so a friend told me
Don't ask...........
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You can bet your backside the firm ain't loosing money on her. Probably billing her out at double that. General rule of thumb is you have work at least 2 hours for every one billable so you can bet your backside she will be putting in 80 hour weeks. Hope she's not looking to do someting stupid, like actually starting a family or wanting to have a life outside of the law.FWIW: A young woman I know is starting as an associate with a law firm in LA in Sept. at over $200K annually. Although I did hear once that the salaries of first year associates were distorted because they work about 80 hrs a week. So It's really like having two $100K jobs.
Not that hard........ 7, twelve-hour days, a week.
Gets you your 4000 hours/year! 2000 billable hours billed at $200/hour.
$400,000 revenue/year
Hoping to make the cut at the end of year one; when half the 1st year Associates are cut!
With Partners "dropping in" Sat and Sundays to see who's at their desks!
Gets you your 4000 hours/year! 2000 billable hours billed at $200/hour.
$400,000 revenue/year
Hoping to make the cut at the end of year one; when half the 1st year Associates are cut!
With Partners "dropping in" Sat and Sundays to see who's at their desks!
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