Want to buy an in-stock PC460XVR 12" Barrel, advised not to, by salesman - Help Plz

[cheff]

He is right!

I have the 460 with a 5" barrel and its not bad to shoot for such a beast. I also have an Encore pistol, and a 20" barrel in 460, no porting. I will tell you that the difference is very very substantial. I would not say don't buy it, but you will most definitely feel that 12" barrel with no gas management.

Should be a blast to shoot, and accurate as can be!

 

[Qmark]

Hold out for exactly what you want but IMO the porting in not necessary - .

I agree and disagree. If you're spending the big bucks, be patient and get exactly what you want. Watch the online auctions.

The porting is not necessary but it does reduce felt recoil, muzzle flip especially. I have a 5" 460 and the recoil is very simply, unpleasant but manageable. The down-side as Ken mentioned is the muzzle brake is very noisy and if you ever want to PO your fellow shooters. I learned real fast. Shooting a cylinder full in an indoor range wont make you any new friends.

I've had my 460 just short of three years. I've only launched 25 Hornady 200 gr 460's, about an equal number of 350 gr 45 Casuals and 100+ hand loaded 45 Colts. I'd be a bold face liar claiming I did not flinch and flinch badly after a few rounds of either 460 or 45 Casual. Chances are good you will not be shooting a large amount of 460 or Casuals at each shooting session. Hopefully you wont be regretting not waiting and get exactly as you want. Getting the ported barrel gives you the option of not using it.

 

[forrestinmathews]

Hearing protection is a must. Invest in quality electronic earmuffs. I fired one .454 in the woods and be darned if I ever do that again without muffs on. I have fired the pistol errantly without warning others in my hunting party because an animal jumped up. I was not a popular person for quite some time after they figured out the gun had not exploded in my hands. A .460 going off unannounced makes grown men dive for cover.

I feel like the weight of the gun is sufficient that you won't need the compensator, but like all toys....wait for the one you want or purchase the one that you like. There is no wrong answer except allowing another to make the decision for you. I feel like the cannon muzzle break is extreme, but the bolt on barrel sight does nothing for me either. Quick change front sight is a big plus especially if you change bullet weights so you don't go crazy adjusting the rear sight. XS makes a nice tritium sight for those early mornings or late evenings.

 

[dwever]

Getting the 10.5" Ported, thanks everyone.

 

[ruggyh]

Have you shot one without the comp?

Yes - and i like them better for bench shooting- much less muzzle flash and less noise=


dwever

You wont notice much difference betwenn the 12 and 14 version except the 12 is friendly in regards to noise and flash.


And actually I see only a little difference when shooting the 3.5" comped and uncomped version


Ruggy

 

[lmsteimel]

WOW! Some photo: Someone could be shot and cremated in the same shot!

You could also shoot a feral hog and barbecue at the same time.

 

[sw282]

l have this 460SW PC 10.5'' and its LOUD. l shot it at a SILH match last year with quite a few negative looks from my fellow shooters. That was with reduced loads too. Not wanting to upset the guys l have not shot it since at a match..As a little experiment this summer l decided to shoot it with the brake disabled...l wrapped part of a soup can around the brake and then secured the temp shield with a couple of ty-raps.
l then shot a few rds thru and noticed the gun acted like a completely differently animal. Much QUIETER.. Also l did notice any unpleasant recoil increase... Without going at it with a hacksaw l would love figure out how to eliminate the thing..
Those 12'' PC 460s look pretty nice.
My opinion--Brakes on a gun are like fins on a 59 Cadillac.. Cool to look at but absolutely U S E L E S S

 

[buck460XVR]

My opinion--Brakes on a gun are like fins on a 59 Cadillac.. Cool to look at but absolutely U S E L E S S

.....and it's said, opinions are like rectal orifices, everyone has one and they all stink. LOL.

Similar to comps and porting, some folks like only blued guns with real wood and consider stainless and synthetic, useless junk. Some folks like red dot and scopes on their hunting handguns and some folks like me, prefer irons. Don't make any of us wrong, just makes us different.

There used to be a place that made solid end caps/barrel nuts to replace the comp used on some of the P.C. .460s, don't know if they do anymore.

 

[sw282]

buck---May l suggest you try it yourself...before passing judgement..l have 629s with and without brakes.. No difference..Power Port and NO port. No difference..

 

[bcc629]

dwever,
Have you seen this thread? http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/406843-460-smith-wesson-didnt-make.html

 

[dwever]

dwever,
Have you seen this thread? http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/406843-460-smith-wesson-didnt-make.html

Just checked it out; darn it! Now I'm thinking about driving down and buying the 12" non-compensated.

Plus, unless the law has changed, the 12" barrel length exempts it from my state's handgun laws and makes it a long-gun.

I've purchased before saying if it's not exactly what I want there is always gun broker.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Do those things come with wheels, a limber, and a tow pintle?

 

[buck460XVR]

buck---May l suggest you try it yourself...before passing judgement..l have 629s with and without brakes.. No difference..Power Port and NO port. No difference..

282, I suggest you know where other folks are coming from before you suggest they attempt to do something they have already done....many times. Besides the comped .460, I have a comped P.C. 629 "Magnum Hunter" and 5 and 6'' standard 629s. I also have a 686 Powerport along with 4 and 5'' standard 686s. I am speaking from experience, not talking out my "rectal orifice". To me, there are differences, some minor, some very defining. When taking new shooters to the range,(and I take many of them) besides the big grin they get from shooting the X-Frame, the thing I notice most is how they always prefer the 6'' Powerport 686 or the Comped 629 over the other revolvers in the same caliber. I doubt if it has anything to do with a cool factor, but instead, because of how comfortably the gun shot. This of course is with legitimate magnum loadings, and not powderpuff or low recoil target loads.

 

[dwever]

I put the weapon on lay-away today: the PC 460 Magnum XVR 12" Barrel NO Gas Management. I'll go pick it up before the season opens.

Also ordered 200 rounds of Winchester lower energy 454 Casull with uzzle velocity at 1300 fps and energy at 938 ft. lbs. Pretty much a hot .44 Magnum load. I'll use the heavier stuff after a couple of outings.

 

[sw282]

Besides my 629 Magnum Hunter and 460SW PC Hunter l also have 2 629 Light Hunters, also Power Ports in 629,686, and a 642 J frame. l cant tell the recoil difference between any of these and NON ported models I the same frame/caliber size...

The ONLY guns l have ever fired where was a recoil reduction was heavy large caliber DANGEROUS GAME rifles in the 460/378 Weatherby range guns...Guns that typically burn from 80 to 120 grains of powder and fire bullets upwards of 500gr to almost 3000fps...l worked at Jarrett Rifles for several years in the 90s and shot many of the kickers with and without brakes

 

[buck460XVR]

sw282....sounds like we both have extensive experience with comped/no-comped firearms and have a difference of opinion. Not a big deal, just comes with the territory.

 

[Ahab]

I've shot the .44 mag for 45 years with and without porting, the .454 Casull for 10 years again with and without and the last two years a .460XVR 8". I believe that porting does make a difference in muzzle flip and accuracy. However, in the case of the XVR the progressive rifleing certainly helps.

 

[Rivoak]

Guess the salesman never heard about the S&W backpack canon. I own one. I also own a ported .460 with a longer barrel. Neither gun is unacceptable. Neither gun should be shot by any limp wristed sissy or a nine year old girl either.

 

[F75gunslinger]

I think that the best thing for anyone to do with any gun they are looking at buying is to shoot it. Recoil is different for everyone. Period. My hand strength, wrist strength, and arm strength ,body weight , as well as stance and shooting position make recoil different for me than the next guy. Some people have more strength than others, so recoil is subjective. For a salesman to tell you that it isn't a good buy because it doesn't have the compensator is rather foolish . Only you can make the decision as to whether or not it's needed. The only way to do that is to get experience with it.

 

[3rdgeargrndrr]

It doesnt need a comp. the barrel makes it front heavy but keeps muzzle flip very controllable. I get insane speeds from my 12". Havent you heard be very suspect of advice from the LGS employees? Want to hear my opinion on ...