Want to get into reloading.....

[Quakertown]

I'm confused. Where were the two insults? Telling someone starting out they must walk before they run? Stating that unless you shoot many thousands of rounds a year, it's STUPID to use a progressive? Sorry, it is. What is the point? Spend one weekend every two or three years to load up what you'll need in those three years? Making quality, SAFE ammunition is dependent on repetition, attention and EXPERIENCE, not speed..sorry it's true. Some ppl believe they're time is more valuable than their face/eyes/hands..I don't. I just wish I knew when these ppl are at the range so I could vacate the area asap. If you have first paid your dues by loading awhile and are confident in your knowledge/experience/equipment, load with what you want. But to suggest starting on a progressive is a recipe for disaster.

 

[ElmerKeith]

jsfricks, do you want to reload for rifle or handgun or both.
I'd suggest that you start with handgun cartridges reloading. It's a lot more easy to do.

I also would suggest to take a look at e-bay. Over here in Germany they sell a lot via e-bay or the eGun - Der Marktplatz für Jäger, Schützen und Angler

I also wouldn't hesitate to ask friends who already are in the world of reloading. If there are none go to a shooting club and ask the reloading-guys about their experiences.

As a starter kit I'd take a single stage press at first. That helps to get into the business seriously. You will better understand reloading step by step. I have the Rock Chucker II since I started reloading in 1993. And the first ten years I used a powder scale exclusively for "measuring" the charges. Only later I bought a Redding powder measure.

Besides a good equipment it's very important to have a room where you can do the reloading job without being disturbed. Best of all is to be at home alone, turn off the phone, don't listen to the radio or even watch TV. Keep concentrated all the time.

Good luck with your new hobby.

 

[blujax01]

.... But to suggest starting on a progressive is a recipe for disaster.

Uh-huh. So the thousands of satisfied owners of Hornady LnL's, RCBS 2000's and Dillon 650 XL's who made those presses their first choice are categorically classified as being stupid and unsafe?

Sir, I can see there is no talking you down off this particular ledge. Enjoy your narrow-minded view.

Out.

 

[novalty]

While I agree that a progressive press isn't for everyone--I ain't going to fault someone if they want to fork over the money for one. I don't have one as I don't find that I have the need for one. Everyone situation is different. For instance I live in Maine, and can't shoot for a couple months of the year due to snow and cold temps, gives me plenty of time to load the quantity I for handguns on my T7, and rifle on my Rockchucker. Maybe once I start casting my own I will want to make the switch from my T7 to a Hornady LnL AP or that blue press.

 

[Quakertown]

Uh-huh. So the thousands of satisfied owners of Hornady LnL's, RCBS 2000's and Dillon 650 XL's who made those presses their first choice are categorically classified as being stupid and unsafe?

Sir, I can see there is no talking you down off this particular ledge. Enjoy your narrow-minded view.

Out.

Yup. If those buyers never reloaded ammo before and jumped right to a progressive, yes, they were STUPID putting speed ahead of being meticulous and chances are much of their first ammo was unsafe. It's safe to say there must have been hundreds of thousands of bad rounds, beit squibs/whatever loaded due to ppl putting speed at top of priority list. All that time saved then spent pulling bullet heads. Narrow-minded? laff. It's actually narrow-minded to believe because it was your choice it was the correct one. My priority is safety, yours is obviously speed. I suggest for beginners taking reloading slow and being vigilant to every step and you call me narrow-minded for it. I still take it slow after 5+ yrs. I only wish you had the courage to post your location so I could avoid the inevitable shrapnel upon detonation.

 

[novalty]

Quakertown,

While I share a lot of your same sentiments on progressive presses, I will remind you of two things:

1. I am sure you are aware that most progressive presses can be run in single stage mode. So someone could learn to walk before they learn to run. **DISCLAIMER: This is no way a Novalty endorsement for progressive presses--would be very out-of-character for me**

2. Rule #3 of the forum

3. Do NOT descend into personal attacks on a member.
Naiveté, or viewpoints different from yours are no reason to call a member an idiot or moron.
If a poster is obnoxious, report him and ignore him.
Do not feed trolls.
NO LYNCHINGS or MUGGINGS.
Learn to use the "IGNORE" feature for posters that ANNOY you. In your User CP, under Settings & Options, click Edit Ignore List.

 

[Quakertown]

Quakertown,

While I share a lot of your same sentiments on progressive presses, I will remind you of two things:

1. I am sure you are aware that most progressive presses can be run in single stage mode. So someone could learn to walk before they learn to run. **DISCLAIMER: This is no way a Novalty endorsement for progressive presses--would be very out-of-character for me**

2. Rule #3 of the forum

Hmm. Unsure who you are referring to. I re-read my posts and I never called ANYONE anything. I was called narrow-minded, but I never specifically called anyone anything. If you were referring to me, I suggest you read a little more thoroughly before correcting anyone.

 

[novalty]

Hmm. Unsure who you are referring to. I re-read my posts and I never called ANYONE anything. I was called narrow-minded, but I never specifically called anyone anything. If you were referring to me, I suggest you read a little more thoroughly before correcting anyone.

Yup. If those buyers never reloaded ammo before and jumped right to a progressive, yes, they were STUPID

Guess I am reading too much into. Or maybe we don't have any members on this forum that started with a progressive press.

blujax01, what was your first press?

 

[Quakertown]

Quakertown,
I am sure you are aware that most progressive presses can be run in single stage mode. So someone could learn to walk before they learn to run.

Yes, I am aware. I am also aware rich ppl buy their 16yr old kids sports cars with turbos that can drive in first gear and obey speed limits and below. Do i believe that is their intent? Do you?
No way to tell for sure, but what percentage of those 1st time reloaders try to crank it out the first day opening their progressives? I would say the majority of them did, wouldn't you?

 

[novalty]

A 16 year old can die in a high speed crash driving a clunker just as well as a Porsche. Just the same as someone can have a serious accident from reloading on a single stage, as they could on a progressive press.

Why would anyone drive a sports car with turbo in 1st gear--would be very detrimental to the transmission?

I would assume most reloaders, whether running a single stage, turret, or progressive, run into the same speed bumps. From expanding issues to seating depth, to crinkled cases from over crimping. I expect progressive reloaders to run into additional speed bumps: timing, powder dump, primer feeding, etc. Would assume that this would limit new reloader starting on a progressive from just cranking out obscene amounts of poor ammo an hour.


Sadly, a new reloader now is going to be limited from cranking out tons of ammo due to shortages in equipment and components. I won't tell someone not to buy a progressive, but might indicate that it might not be the press that best meets their needs.

Reloaders get very defensive about presses, and both sides of the fence single stage / progressive--both have pros and cons. I have seen posters from both sides tell "new reloaders" not to buy the other style press without taking into consideration the factors relative to the situation.

If someone shoots competitions like IDPA, and wants to start reloading is a single stage going to be practical for them if their needs are in the thousands of rounds per month?

Just the same as a casual shooter like myself, who might shoot 1,000 rounds of ammo a year--between 9mm, 45acp, 38 special. Yes I could reload quicker on a progressive, but I don't feel my volume would warrant it. I am able to keep up with my needs for handgun rounds on my turret, and rifle on my Rockchucker II.

 

[Quakertown]

I have nothing against progressive presses. They serve their purpose. If I shot more, I would consider getting one. I have been approached more than once from newbies asking for help/endorcement of buying them and it's my opinion an intelligent person should not require speed when learning to reload. This exact subject has been addressed on a variety of forums lately, with the majority of experienced reloaders advising against it. It seems the only ppl suggesting it are ones that went that route without losing an eye/fingers/face so far.

 

[Rollbar]

Guess I am reading too much into. Or maybe we don't have any members on this forum that started with a progressive press.

blujax01, what was your first press?

I'm starting on a progressive.

Guess I'm (and my son) stupid then by reading some comments here. RCBS/Hornady LNL.

New reloader, haven't even loaded a live round yet.

My son and I shoot iCORE and Steel man on man matches so we use quite a bit of ammo. The RCBS will be for rifle as I see it now but that can change.

I am setting the H-LNL up and when I feel better will start on the 38spl. We will run it single stage and check every step. I also told my son (27yrs old who listens well) we won't crank out rounds like what I have been reading, slow and sure will get better results IMHO.

Just because one reads/or sees people on YouTube cranking out rounds does not mean every one will do that.

Jim



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[Quakertown]

I'm starting on a progressive.

Guess I'm (and my son) stupid then by reading some comments here. RCBS/Hornady LNL.

New reloader, haven't even loaded a live round yet.

My son and I shoot iCORE and Steel man on man matches so we use quite a bit of ammo. The RCBS will be for rifle as I see it now but that can change.

I am setting the H-LNL up and when I feel better will start on the 38spl. We will run it single stage and check every step. I also told my son (27yrs old who listens well) we won't crank out rounds like what I have been reading, slow and sure will get better results IMHO.

Just because one reads/or sees people on YouTube cranking out rounds does not mean every one will do that.

Jim



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So, you've never reloaded before, have yet to reload a single round, but somehow feel qualified to recommend(post#8) starting on a progressive press? Based on...what? Because it's what you're doing? Alrighty then.

 

[Rollbar]

So, you've never reloaded before, have yet to reload a single round, but somehow feel qualified to recommend(post#8) starting on a progressive press? Based on...what? Because it's what you're doing? Alrighty then.

Please talk to me when you have read the ENTIRE POST of my link in post #8. Then you will be qualified to answer your own question/statement. Until then......

Sent from my Nexus 7

 

[Skipw]

Check Amazon

 

[blujax01]

To the OP,

I apologize for the fatal drift this thread has taken. Usually we're a friendly bunch who kid around about how my press is better than your press, nyah, nyah, nyah. Then we all have a good laugh and share a virtual beverage (kssshht).

Occasionally however someone comes along who insists on being placed on the "Ignore" list...

Back to your question, lots of folks swear by the Lee turret. Unfortunately most Internet Sites are sold out. If you were in Ohio I could take you to a couple of places where it (and several other brands and type) are in stock. Unless you have a brick-and-mortar alternative the best advice I can give you is to try to reserve one through Natchez or Midway.

Or join Novalty and take a Road Trip to Ohio!!!

 

[jsfricks]

Lee 4 Hole Turret Press with Auto Index Deluxe Kit

Well, Midway got the Lee 4 Hole Turret Press with Auto Index Deluxe Kit on their website last night. They showed that it wouldn't be available until July but some came in. So I placed and order, the wife is giving it to me at the end of May for my birthday so that gives me time to do some reading and acquiring the other things I need. I plan on using it without the auto index rod installed.

 

[Clovishound]

Well, Midway got this one on their website last night. They showed that it wouldn't be available until July but some came in. So I placed and order, the wife is giving it to me at the end of May for my birthday so that gives me time to do some reading and acquiring the other things I need.

Lee 4 Hole Turret Press with Auto Index Deluxe Kit

I have the classic turret and the auto disk pro measure. It is a great press. It will give you lots of options. It is also a very smooth, solid press. I was fortunate to get mine just before the madness started. Be sure and get extra turret plates, if you plan on loading more than one caliber.

 

[quneur]

So, you've never reloaded before, have yet to reload a single round, but somehow feel qualified to recommend(post#8) starting on a progressive press? Based on...what? Because it's what you're doing? Alrighty then.

At least Jim won't have to keep progressively (pun intended) upgrading presses and accessories.

 

[Rule3]

A turret press is a great press to start with, forget the suggestion to start with a progressive. You have to walk before you can run. Also, unless you shoot many thousands of rounds a year, it's stupid to go with a progressive. I've been reloading for almost 6yrs now and still use a turret press. Being careful and observant of every round loaded far outweighs loading fast. Do alot of reading, watch some youtube videos and take your time.

Wow I do not know how I missed this thread and how much fun you all were having!

It sure did take a detour.

I agree with starting with a turret press if you do not need 100's of rounds a week. Heck I started on a single stage. I still think a single stage is good for those that need to learn and only load one or two calibers and do not need a lot of ammo. It reenforces the basics over and over.
Had I known the turret could been a single also I would have just bought that. Anyway I am happy with the Lee Classic Turret as I load a LOT of calibers so it did not cost me a lot to buy dies and turret plates.

As to the insults, the word stupid is not appropriate, I read your post and do not think you actually called the poster that, just came across wrong. Perhaps another word could have been used, like not cost effective or not really needed Any way for the OP JSFricks if you are still with us, yes the Lee CLASSIC Turret is a good press. Here is a good review.

Real Guns - Lee Classic Turret, It's Not Just For Kids