sipowicz
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I'm sure in Texas, cloudy counts as darkness....
Was He defending Himself or His property?
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TexasArmed
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Guess the criminals who come to Texas ought to understand,
is my property worth the criminal risking their life for, because its what it may cost them.
Lots of insurance policies have a $500 deduction clause. Guess if they came to rob you every day and you let them have it, those deductibles would add up, and at some point your insurance might go up. Just not inclined myself to allow a criminal to walk away intact if I am there.
is my property worth the criminal risking their life for, because its what it may cost them.
Lots of insurance policies have a $500 deduction clause. Guess if they came to rob you every day and you let them have it, those deductibles would add up, and at some point your insurance might go up. Just not inclined myself to allow a criminal to walk away intact if I am there.
bp231986
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Call the police and have them deal with it.
hotrod150
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The Lord helps those who help themselves. If you wanna go to court to face some sort of murder or manslaughter charge with just yourself or a public defender (think low bidder) as your only legal defense, God help you- you'll need it. Better take the whole thing very seriously-- you wouldn't be the first honest citizen to be convicted on what most of us would consider trumped-up charges.
TexasArmed
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I figure it only takes one juror to stop a conviction, that is one out of 12. The criminals better think twice before they steal something in Texas. Lots of them find out the hard way. As for me, I am already bankrupting the VA with my medical care, a life term would not be that long and if the prison system wanted to spend lots more money taking care of my medical problems fine, and also an additional $50,000 per year for my disabled daughter. But I won't be a victim and I will stop anyone from taking my property. When you cross that old red river, Hoss, Texas law is king. As for other states, I won't live in one where I cannot protect my property. Furthermore, there isn't anyone who is going to get away with outlawing guns in Texas, nor is anyone going to collect them. As for bicycles, I still have not researched to determine whether those are protected by castle doctrine or not. I would if I owned one. Both my vehicles are automobiles and they are as well as the property in my home.
If the criminals wants to break thru a double bolted door, he is asking for his own funeral. I open up when the door starts coming down, if I am inside. If not then my insurance will have to cover what gets stolen. Most cases like these get no billed in Texas, where someone is attempting to steal property. Lots of people don't like our laws in Texas, but very few of them have been able to get any of them changed. Most people who don't like our laws in Texas don't like the laws providing for protecting property. I like them.
I think there is some confusion about exactly what the Castle Doctrine does in Texas. It does not give you the right to use deadly force if someone is stealing your car, boat, bike, whatever, during the day. Read my post above that quotes the Texas law governing deadly force to protect property.
Texas SB 378 (2007) extended the presumed "duty to retreat" from just your habitation, to vehicles, workplaces, etc. It also provides some civil immunity if you are involved in a justified shooting in those locations. Here's a link to the bill: Texas Legislature Online - 80(R) Text for SB 378
Texas SB 378 (2007) extended the presumed "duty to retreat" from just your habitation, to vehicles, workplaces, etc. It also provides some civil immunity if you are involved in a justified shooting in those locations. Here's a link to the bill: Texas Legislature Online - 80(R) Text for SB 378
I'm sure everyone would be "troubled" by it. However, the alternative is you are DEAD............no contest!
TexasArmed
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Like I said, a life time for me is not a long time, the cost to the State for the care of my daughter 24/7 is over $50,000 per year. I will defend me and my property. So if a criminal wants to gamble with his life let him. That's before they start adding for the cost of my medical care. I intend on surrendering nothing to criminals if I can stop them and will use whatever force is necessary to do that. True, if they can
get 12 jurors to convict then it may happen. But there is risk of that any time you make the decision to get a CHL and carry a gun. I don't do neighborhood watches, for anyone else but I can and will defend my life, my family and my property.
We were taught in cop school back in the '80s that the courts of Texas generally held that for deadly force after 10:00PM was considered night. That was then. At this point in MY life I can't concieve of any property that is worth the life of a human.
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RobertJ.
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Sorry, I couldn't find the scripture reference for this one!
MaximumLawman
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I've caught many burglars in the act. You wouldn't BELIEVE the trinkets that they believe are worth the risk of dying for. Why should I argue with them? So, in that vein, here are the items, the value of which has been established as the price of a human life by the humans willing to risk theirs: TV's, TV remotes, toasters, Craftsman cordless drills, curling irons, costume jewelry, puppies, a half consumed bottle of Colt .45 malt liquor, a freshly cooked Thanksgiving turkey. (Crackhead grandson took the turkey to the dopehouse, grandma shot him with a .22). Let's see, what else.....cars, nail polish, shoes, coats, eye glasses..These are all things that are worth more than a human life. This is the currency scale.
carpe pugna
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Some property, wheeled or otherwise, cannot be replaced with any sum of money.
It's still just property.
The bumpersticker says "There is nothing in this truck worth dying for"...I keep asking "What is in the truck worth killing for?"
Now, obviously family comes to mind, but the bumpersticker is talking about property. And it is just property.
TexasArmed
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Three died for property in Pasadena Texas in the case of Joe Horn. Joe went outside, even after the dispatcher told him not to but he was on his property. When they came toward him he warned them to stop.
If I recall correctly it was no billed by the grand jury. While I would not have went outside, especially since it was not my property, I agree with that verdict and if I were on the jury, and 11 said guilty regarding a man defending his property I would hang the jury. Nothing entitles a criminal to someone's property.
If I recall correctly it was no billed by the grand jury. While I would not have went outside, especially since it was not my property, I agree with that verdict and if I were on the jury, and 11 said guilty regarding a man defending his property I would hang the jury. Nothing entitles a criminal to someone's property.
David Armstrong
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IIRC, the legal bill for Joe was in the 5 figures area. It's all well and good to talk about this stuff, but realistically very little of your property is worth shooting someone, and the prisons in Texas (and other states) are full of lots of folks who though they were acting within the law. Shoot because you have to, not because you want to.
TexasArmed
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I will take my chances with a jury if he wants something inside my house and I am in it, if it comes to that. I don't do neighborhood watches, administer drug tests, or interview anyone who wants to invade my home to take something, or other things he might have in mind. If necessary I will face a trial. As I said the cost of taking care of me, and also my daughter, would cost the state at least $100,000 per year. So I would let the state decide that.
When it comes to my vehicle, smart keys make it unlikely someone is going to be able to steal it. As for carjacking it, I will take out a carjacker if I can if one tries. If I were worried about going to jail for using deadly force under those circumstances I would just option not to own a gun. You can search for cases in Texas where people have defended their home or their property and you want find many such cases where the defender is in jail. Please cite some of them if you know of any.
Any time you just roll over for one of these criminals who wants your property he may not stop with just that. Breaking into homes and vehicles is a very dangerous occupation for criminals in Texas.
I do not answer my door to someone I do not know without my gun in my hand or readily accessible whichever I think may be necessary. I am not worried about having to go to trial for it. If it happens it happens and I will cross that bridge when I come to at. At my age and state of health a life sentence would not be long anyway.
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My rule is, if you come into the house while its occupied your obviously not there just to steal something. Im gone 9 hours a day and you will be treated as if you are there to hurt me. Anything outside? The cops and insurance company can handle that.
Puppies? Thats not property. Thats family. My dogs life is definitely worth more than some scum bag criminal no matter how innocent and sweet his momma says he is.
One of my greatest fears is that someone will attempt to hurt my dog. And that I will be going to prison for a long time afterwards.
Puppies? Thats not property. Thats family. My dogs life is definitely worth more than some scum bag criminal no matter how innocent and sweet his momma says he is.
One of my greatest fears is that someone will attempt to hurt my dog. And that I will be going to prison for a long time afterwards.
David Armstrong
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Again, if you want to spend more money defending yourself than it would cost to replace an item, go for it. Seems like a poor plan to me. Just doesn't seem to make sense to spend $10,000 to keep an item that can be replaced for $100. And anyone who doesn't think about the aftermath of a shooting BEFORE they get into a shooting is really missing something in their defense plans, IMO. Having been involved in a number of trials I'll do my best to avoid having one. YMMV.
TexasArmed
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The money I have is set up in trust for my daughter's care. However, if I have to spend my money, then the state of Texas will assume her care at $50,000 per year, no skin off my nose. I am not going to make any attempt to avoid shooting when it comes to a criminal inside my home, where he does not belong. In fact, if he is breaking down the door he will do down when the door is coming down.
I don't care what you are anyone else does. That is exactly what I will do. In both the case of my home and the vehicle the castle doctrine is what applies. There is no possibility he can make it thru my dead bolted locks and door to steal anything. He will not get to survey the merchandise in my home like he was in some store.
Now if some jury of 12 convicts me for that, then the State of Texas can spend their money to take care of my disabled daughter.
If I were worried about the possibility of legal fees I would just live without a gun, and beg for mercy if someone did a home invasion.
But I don't intend to live that way. When I drive down the street tomorrow, I could be at fault in some freak accident as well, and end up in litigation. But I will cross that bridge when I come to it.
That's the way I live my life poor plan or not. I consider people who
prefer to be safe and never get sued because of having to defend their
property or home to be sheep. I don't intend to live that way. If I wanted to live that way I would move to somewhere like California or Illinois.
I don't care what you are anyone else does. That is exactly what I will do. In both the case of my home and the vehicle the castle doctrine is what applies. There is no possibility he can make it thru my dead bolted locks and door to steal anything. He will not get to survey the merchandise in my home like he was in some store.
Now if some jury of 12 convicts me for that, then the State of Texas can spend their money to take care of my disabled daughter.
If I were worried about the possibility of legal fees I would just live without a gun, and beg for mercy if someone did a home invasion.
But I don't intend to live that way. When I drive down the street tomorrow, I could be at fault in some freak accident as well, and end up in litigation. But I will cross that bridge when I come to it.
That's the way I live my life poor plan or not. I consider people who
prefer to be safe and never get sued because of having to defend their
property or home to be sheep. I don't intend to live that way. If I wanted to live that way I would move to somewhere like California or Illinois.
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