We haven't had a pit bull thread in a long time

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Working in a shelter environment I have seen all kinds of pits. The one dog I never trusted was a chow. We did impound a fighting pit or two in my time there. Actually I lost count. The one dog was a 6 time winner. I do not condone the use of animal for fighting. But I don't think the dog fighters were the one that screwed up the breed. It was the backyard guy the confuses Gameness for aggression. The dog that was a winner was getting his ear sewn up and just laid there. He was not good with other dogs, but he was one of the most friendly dogs I have ever come across. Most of the wrong people that own a dog chain it up or make it a yard dog. Also I am close to 40 and remember when I was young it was the Doberman to watch out for. Any dog can be aggressive when improperly raised or trained. Just like people

I like Staffordshire Bull Terrier. I hope to get my puppy this year
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I think that if they are wearing the big/thick spiked collar and are being walked by some guy with his pants hanging off his butt, And they are both running torward me I should be able to defend myself.
Friend of mine had a coup[le over they years, Most calm/lazy dogs,, But one slipped into Lucas one day and was put to sleep that same day.
Simple.
Peter
 
I'm not condoning or defending illegal activity, but the "image" of dogfighters and dogfighting is an image created by the SPCA and the Humane Society, and it is most certainly not the reality in most cases.
Aha, I knew it! The neocon, right wing Republican loonies weren't responsible for bringing Michael Vick down. It was the SPCA all along. Whoda thunk it.

Bob
 
I don't think the animals should be banned, but I think the owners ought to bear the full criminal and monetary costs associated with the misbehavior of their "pet."
 
I want you to meet Joe. Joe is a pit bull mix; his mother was an Australian sheep dog. Joe is my buddy and loves me totally and unconditionally. Every night when I hit the sack, he jumps up on the bed and smothers me with doggy kisses. Then and only then will he go and lie down to go to sleep. He's the most affectionate and loyal dog I've ever owned. He was trained by my old dog Bucky, who died earlier this year. Bucky was a border collie mix and our beloved alpha dog at the time. When Joe would get too rambunctious, Bucky'd bowl him over, put a paw over him to hold him down, and give him kisses as if to tell him that he wasn't being civilized, but he was still loved. Joe would then settle down nicely. Here's a pic of Bucky "civilizing" Joe:

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With people other than family, Joe is a dichotomy. He has the mail man terrorized whenever he comes to the door with a package; he thinks that "Joe" is short for "Cujo." Joe does NOT like anyone at the front door who has not first been approved by us. His bark is deep and ferocious. His blue, almost white eyes make him pretty spooky to behold. He considers himself the guardian of our household, and he takes that duty seriously. When guests come, we restrain him, and once he sees that we accept these strangers in our home, he settles down and becomes quite docile. Accordingly, we have a security door in front of our front door, to keep Joe at bay until proper introductions have been secured.

At home with us, Joe is gentle, intelligent, and responds well to commands. As I mentioned, he is as loyal and affectionate as a dog can be. I love this dog very much, and give him belly rubs as often as he rolls over and asks for them, which is a lot. I didn't used to think much about pit bulls, and probably wouldn't have had one based on their reputation. Joe was orphaned by his previous owners, who couldn't keep him in an apartment, and so we wound up with him. Since Bucky's death, he's become the alpha dog and is all we could ever ask for as a loving companion and staunch guardian. I'm even beginning now to think pitties are kinda handsome dogs....

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This guy eats pit bulls for breakfast.

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Bad look don't make a bad dog.

It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

Most of the dogs that have tried pit bulls for breakfast found them to be pretty indigestible. :D
 
Gun Owners = Dog Fighters?

I'm not condoning or defending illegal activity, but the "image" of dogfighters and dogfighting is an image created by the SPCA and the Humane Society, and it is most certainly not the reality in most cases.

For instance, compare the "image" of guns and gun owners mostly portrayed in the media to the reality. It's very similar.

What a total crock of hooey! First, the image of dogfighters has been created by Federal felons like the Vick Brothers, not by the SPCA. Second, your analogy fails because you cannot equate dogfighters to gunowers: the first are criminals, by definition; the second are law-abiding citizens, by definition.


Bullseye
 
This guy eats pit bulls for breakfast.

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It's a Cane Corso, a mastiff of Italian extraction. The name can be traced at least as far back as Italian writings around 1500. They grow to 90 to 115 pounds, are easy to socialize and to train not to go off unless a real threat is present. I know from personal experience with a neighbor's dog that you can teach them to play 3-on-3 or 5-on-5 football, so long as it's tackle. They have great lateral movement, but don't seem to grok to the idea of "touch." LOL.


Bullseye
 
What a total crock of hooey! First, the image of dogfighters has been created by Federal felons like the Vick Brothers, not by the SPCA. Second, your analogy fails because you cannot equate dogfighters to gunowers: the first are criminals, by definition; the second are law-abiding citizens, by definition.


Bullseye

I think you completely missed my point.

I was not equating illegal activity to legal gun ownership. I said that I do not condone nor defend those who break the law.

The point that I was making is that the information you get in the media concerning pit bulls, dogfighting and dogfighters is clouded by an agenda. The truth is a LONG way from what you see portrayed, just as most of the information shown about guns and gun owners is skewed. I thought that since gun owners have seen hatchet jobs done on them before it would be easy to understand that the same thing could be done to others.

That was all I was saying. I meant no offense.
 
Used to care less either way. Until July 18 when a Pit killed one of my Yorkies while my 13yo daughter was walking them. I guess a Yorkie provoked a Pit Bull to kill it. This dog was in the possession of a pharmacist, so I do not believe they were training it to be a fighter or killer. Just a stupid POS dog.
I will not give the breed a second chance.
 
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I think you completely missed my point.

I was not equating illegal activity to legal gun ownership. I said that I do not condone nor defend those who break the law.

The point that I was making is that the information you get in the media concerning pit bulls, dogfighting and dogfighters is clouded by an agenda. The truth is a LONG way from what you see portrayed, just as most of the information shown about guns and gun owners is skewed. I thought that since gun owners have seen hatchet jobs done on them before it would be easy to understand that the same thing could be done to others.

That was all I was saying. I meant no offense.

I hope the point you are trying to make isn't the point you are making. The point you have made is that both dogfighters and gun owners are really good guys (they are "mostly just regular guys like all of us" is how you put it) and have been done a disservice by a skewed media.

I know some dogfighters, and some hog doggers. Also some cockfighters. For the large part,they are definitely NOT just regular guys, just like us. Several I know are convicted felons. None of them, except for some of the hog dog people,are what I would call "just regular guys."

In fact, the media tends to portray dog fighters as low-life scum. It is, in my estimation, an accurate portrayal. How is that a skewed portrayal?

You lost me,and I assume Bullseye, with the "just regular guys" statement. I know better.
 
I thought I was a fairly articulate fellow, but I'm obviously not doing so well on this thread.

I knew some dogfighters over 20 years ago. I did say that the ones I knew then were mostly regular guys, and they were. I have not been acquainted with any for many years now, so maybe they are all scum now. I don't know.

I always appreciate getting perspectives other than mine and thought I could perhaps offer a perspective on this topic that others may not have.

I enjoy coming to this forum and do not in any way wish to create a problem. I apologize to any offended, and I'll just leave this one alone from here on out.
 
I don't know about redlevel, but I'm not offended. I just disagree with y'all, is all. That's one of the things what makes this a great board--you can disagree around here without being disagreeable.


Bullseye
 
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