Weaver vs Isoceles

[cmort666]

The whole picture looks different when the target shoots back.

It looks a whole lot different too when one of the participants is willing to shoot the other IN the back.

I'm not an expert on Tom Horne, but did he EVER shoot anybody NOT from ambush?

 

[Ed Fowler]

It looks a whole lot different too when one of the participants is willing to shoot the other IN the back.

I'm not an expert on Tom Horne, but did he EVER shoot anybody NOT from ambush?

Tom Horn was in many battles, hated thieves and was a good hand. If you want a fair understanding of the man, simply go to Wikipedia - Tom Horn and you will get to know a lot about the man.

I once owned a horse hair bridle braided By Tom Horn, beautiful work.

 

[JCFindley]

thanks for the info, jc.
when you said 2 shots in 1/2 second, was that point shooting?
did i understand you correctly that point shooting was taught up to 3 yards?
for me, point shooting has real world applications.
aggressive rattlers can show up unexpectedly real close if your head is in the clouds. evil bunnies sometimes give you little time to shoot.

I have been drop kicked by a West Texas Jack Rabbit and you are not kidding there.

You better get REALLY fast if you are going to beat one of those rattler snakes as close as the one in the pic below.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Which shooting stance (Isosceles, Weaver, or "modified" weaver)do you use, and why?

For me it's a weaver. It feels more "natural" to me and therefore I'm more comfortable shooting from it, which leads to better results.

I have used all three, and Weaver feels more natural to me.

What feels unnatural to me is this new fangled gripping method with the support hand canted unnaturally down so that the thumbs can both lay straight along the side of the slide.

There are folks who swear by it, but I am not one of them. I prefer the way I learned.

 

[AZretired]

In training we had targets that would turn to us then away. 1/2 second was the shortest they could flip the target to expose then turn away. Starting from the holster I drew and put two rounds through the target in that 1/2 second at 3 yards. I am just not sure that the speed of drawing and firing from the hip would be needed at 10 yards and am confident saying it would take a shooter well beyond just competent to fill me full of holes at 30 feet in a real world gunfight.

As a long time Police Firearms Instructor, I taught Weaver and Isosceles and for me I found the Weaver to be more natural and comfortable. I taught the Cooper method of point shooting in that you draw, raise the pistol to just below your line of sight and fire. Very accurate out to at least 7 yards.

So, for your 1/2 second 2 rounds at three yards; did you draw as the target started to turn towards you or when it was fully faced? Were you actually timed with a shot timer? Or is it that once you had you gun on target you fired 2 rounds in 1/2 second? It's just that 2 rounds in 1/2 second from the holster is 4 times faster than the normal standard of two rounds in 2 seconds. Reaction time (the time it takes your brain to figure out something is happening) is generally accepted as 3/4 of a second, another 3/4 seconds to draw and that leaves 1/2 second to actually fire 2 rounds.

 

[Rastoff]

I have been to a training class where we had turning targets. We did a drill where we were within arm's reach of the target. We weren't allowed to move until we saw the target move. At that distance, the targets were set to 1 second.

If I started to move as soon as I saw the slightest movement of the target, I could present and get two shots in the thoracic cavity (center of mass) in less than a second. Yes, shots were taken from step 3 of the presentation (basically from the hip) and it was only after much practice that I could get both shots off.

Two shots in 1/2 second? Well, I guess it can be done, but not by me. I haven't timed it individually, but I'll bet my best time is about .85 seconds. From 3 yards I know I can get two shots on target in 1.2 seconds (timed with a timer), but that's after at least a few practices. From the ready position I can do it in under a second.

 

[susieqz]

i might do 2 shots in 1/2 second, but never with a normal holster.

i open carry in a drop holster. the gun sits near my hand.
think tv cowboy.
so with that you could do it because it's super fast.
i could never come near that with a concealed gun.
never.

 

[rwsmith]

I seem to naturally.....

I seem to naturally fall into a triangle and have never had training to change. I should probably try both and see if I want to take the time/trouble to adopt a Weaver stance and make it natural.

Other positions you might find yourself in is falling on your back or side, or even on your face.

 

[Whitwabit]

I have heard "best"stances for quite awhile.Best shooter I "ever"personally saw uses a modified.What I'm curious about is what do the Delta & SEAL TEAM 6 guys use??Only reason I ask is they shoot for the real deal...be interesting to hear what "stance"they use!
Jim

Think you could say that they really don't use either as their feet are never planted .. always moving as not to be shot .. night scopes they have allow them to get on target very quickly and they don't miss very often .. your talking about the finest trained fighting men in the US .. No the world !!