Well, you can't blame Skeeter Skelton for trying!

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Just acquired this and thought I'd share.

Looks like ol' Skeeter tried to sweet talk S&W into making 5" Combat Magnum for him back in 1965.

Interesting that, even though it had been a number of years since the model numbers came into use, there is no mention of "Model 19" ... they went with the old school "357 Combat Magnum".

Hope y'all get a kick out of this like I did:

 
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I have longed for a 5" model 19 for many moons, but have not ponied up the funds to have one made. One of these days...
 
Interesting because at that point the front site ramp assembly was still pinned to the barrel so would not have been any extra work except cutting a 6" barrel one inch shorter before moving it down the assembly line.

Would also love to know what they considered "Cost Prohibitive" back in 1965....
my guess is it would have been something like a whopping $35.00.
BTW today that investment would likely have made a $900 revolver worth over $4000.00.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
Just think about how many orders the factory would have received after Skeeter's article was published!
 
The man who signed that letter was Fred Miller. I had a letter from him about a year later, relating to whether .38-44 ammo could be safely fired in a Model 10 .38.

He confirmed it could be used, but recoil would be heavy and wear on the gun much increased if much of that hotter load was fired. He earnestly advised getting a .38-44 gun or a .357 Magnum if I meant to shoot much .38-44 Hi-Speed ammo.

Mr. Miller was at S&W for many decades. I've seen references here to him being there at least as far back as the 1940's.

Skeeter's being at, Gunsport also interested me. I read his articles there, and I also published some articles at that title.

It was always hard to get the editors to pay in a timely manner. I think they still owed Skelton and others money when the magazine folded. B.R. Hughes was better known as a knife writer, but he was Shotgun Editor at, Gunsport, too.
 
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I noticed the letter was dated 1965. I would bet if he asked the same question in 1975, when he was in his prime, they would have moved heaven and earth to make him happy. He was an exceptional writer and I could actually smell the mesquite camp fires when I read his articles.
 
I noticed the letter was dated 1965. I would bet if he asked the same question in 1975, when he was in his prime, they would have moved heaven and earth to make him happy. He was an exceptional writer and I could actually smell the mesquite camp fires when I read his articles.

Yes, that's a good point about Skeeter's writing. He had a skill beyond the basic need of the job.
Has anyone else here read his Dobe Grant stories?
 
Model 19-2 with a 5-inch barrel made for Bob Loveless the knife maker and shipped on August 16, 1965 (the same date as the letter to Skeeter Skelton). With the exception of the guns made for the FHP in 1969 (see second photo), this is the only 5-inch known.

Bill

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Model 19-2 with a 5-inch barrel made for Bob Loveless the knife maker and shipped on August 16, 1965 (the same date as the letter to Skeeter Skelton). With the exception of the guns made for the FHP in 1969 (see second photo), this is the only 5-inch known.

Bill

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I'm thinking that after all the trouble they went to making this one for LOveless, they just said HELL NO not another one!! :D
 
in my industry, it is usually what a dealer (retailer) pays.

The discount has traditionally been dealer price or even below that. S&W (and all the rest) price these guns attractively because they would prefer not to receive the gun back as it is then a used gun. However, I would guess they have a standard plan for disposing of writer returns, like offering steep discounts to employees, etc.

Normal terms industry-wide are 90 day loans, but liberal extensions are often granted. At some point the gun is purchased or returned. Same policy usually applies to scopes, etc.
 
The discount has traditionally been dealer price or even below that. S&W (and all the rest) price these guns attractively because they would prefer not to receive the gun back as it is then a used gun. However, I would guess they have a standard plan for disposing of writer returns, like offering steep discounts to employees, etc.

Normal terms industry-wide are 90 day loans, but liberal extensions are often granted. At some point the gun is purchased or returned. Same policy usually applies to scopes, etc.

I don't know who Rockquarry writes for, but he's correct. I bought my M-66-3 from S&W through the PR lady when doing some gunwriting that applied.

One normally must be an accredited gun writer known to the PR person or show a letter from a valid editor assigning a particular story that justifies shipping the gun at that discount or loan rate.

The rate is attractive, but one can often find a good used gun for about the same price.

I do suspect that some firms keep guns for writer loan that have been returned by prior writers. In such cases, it may be possible to work out a better price with the manufacturer.

A famous gun and hunting writer told me that he'd offered to return a rifle that he'd had for an extended time. The manufacturer's president knew him personally and told him to keep the gun. It was far more valuable to the firm being seen in his magazine photos than if sitting in a safe back in the company's offices. But he was a very well known writer with a lot of fans, whose material appeared in the biggest gun magazines.

Most gun scribes don't often get deals like that.

BTW, lest anyone get jealous, gun writing doesn't pay much unless one gets a staff position with a big publisher. I was lucky to get more than $300 for a typical story. I think the most I ever got for a single article was just $750. But if you hit titles like, Field & Stream or,Outdoor Life, the last I checked, many years ago, Field & Stream paid 18 cents per word plus more per published photo. See the current, Writer's Market for present rates. Many magazines, not just gun titles, didn't pay over 5 cents per word. I think a lady whom I knew who wrote for romance/confession magazines didn't always get even that 5 cents a word rate, and she wasn't selling photos as well as text.

On the other hand, being a valid gun writer does let one hang out in the press room at the SHOT show or go on trips where one can meet his favorite scribes. And the manufacturers have hospitality suites where a scribe can get free drinks and snacks. Ruger even hosted a quite nice 30th Anniversary luncheon in San Antonio, where I met some top names in the business, some of whom I already knew.
Yes, I met Skeeter Skelton. I really liked his articles, and I think he was one of the more honest writers. I think, Shooting Times messed up royally in not getting a similar man to replace him after his untimely death.

One writer did try to inherit Skeeter's mantle, I think, doing gun writing with a southwestern flair. I don't know what became of him, but haven't seen his articles in several years. Frankly, I think the only man who can now write in a way to replace either Skeeter or Elmer is Brian Pearce, who I think is still writing for Wolfe titles. (Rifle and, Handloader.)
 
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I think you're just citing his load for the .44 Special. Because this topic is about the .357 Combat Magnum, you'll confuse readers.

Nothing confusing at all. I thought it was fitting tribute to Skeeter. Off topic or not!
 
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