What are the things you value most in a carry gun?

I am glad I asked this question, it made switching to the S&W 43c much easier. While not as powerful as my 686, the 43c is with me everywhere in the same location every single day now. I have found it to be shockingly reliable based on what I have heard about 22 LR I was worried I might have issues but shooting this gun put those to rest.

I understand now why there is a huge following on here for smaller guns such as the Seecamp. Better to have a mouse gun that is on you than the magnum you left at home. If you are willing to carry a heavier gun every single day, then maybe that is a good fit for you. For me, however, I found that my 686 was left at home more days than it was on me.
 
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I am glad I asked this question, it made switching to the S&W 43c much easier. While not as powerful as my 686, the 43c is with me everywhere in the same location every single day now. I have found it to be shockingly reliable based on what I have heard about 22 LR I was worried I might have issues but shooting this gun put those to rest.

I understand now why there is a huge following on here for smaller guns such as the Seecamp. Better to have a mouse gun that is on you than the magnum you left at home. If you are willing to carry a heavier gun every single day, then maybe that is a good fit for you. For me, however, I found that my 686 was left at home more days than it was on me.

Just curious- Why the .22, when you could have a .38 for a few more ounces, and half the price?
 
I am glad I asked this question, it made switching to the S&W 43c much easier. While not as powerful as my 686, the 43c is with me everywhere in the same location every single day now. I have found it to be shockingly reliable based on what I have heard about 22 LR I was worried I might have issues but shooting this gun put those to rest.

I understand now why there is a huge following on here for smaller guns such as the Seecamp. Better to have a mouse gun that is on you than the magnum you left at home. If you are willing to carry a heavier gun every single day, then maybe that is a good fit for you. For me, however, I found that my 686 was left at home more days than it was on me.

A Seecamp and a 45/70 BFR are both reliable, but which one will you carry every day?
 
Just curious- Why the .22, when you could have a .38 for a few more ounces, and half the price?

More capacity, faster follow up shots, shoot it better, and can practice four times a month instead of one now. The defensive 22 loads are more reliable than they used to be. If I do my part and hit my intended hit zone I feel confident 22 will be more than adequate.

The biggest reason is cost and availability. A box of 50 rounds of 38 special (even cheapest FMJ) is around 30 bucks. I literally grabbed 250 Aguila in 22 LR today for 20$. I can shoot 200 rounds of 22 a month and only be out 16$ vs being out 30 or more (especially with defensive ammo) and only have shot 50 rounds once or divided that up by 2 for two quick sessions. That's also assuming it's available, which is not always the case for 38/357 at my LGS. Whereas I've never seen them not have 22 LR in stock, ever. I know I can order online (and for 22LR punch I will have to) but I try to buy most of my ammo at my local LGS because they have been good to me.

I am a father of two, putting my wife through college and the only source of income. I am doing well thankfully, however, I feel guilty spending more than I have to while getting less proficient than I could be with 22 LR. Even if I was rich, I'd rather shoot more, spend less, and invest in my girls college fund or other assets I'm slowly building.

I think for a first day with it I did ok. I'm not Paul Harrell or Hickock45 but I was hitting where I wanted for the most part, which is more than I could say for my days shooting 38 or 357.

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I like 357M for revolvers and .45 for automatics but I think for 99.9% of the time a .22 with 6 rounds will work just fine. 8 or 10 rounds is even better. Not many people will disturb a wasp nest. Larry
 
I like 357M for revolvers and .45 for automatics but I think for 99.9% of the time a .22 with 6 rounds will work just fine. 8 or 10 rounds is even better. Not many people will disturb a wasp nest. Larry

Great point ☝️ I also don't think most will stick around to find out what caliber they are looking at or hearing. Thankfully from most of the videos I've seen of home or personal defense, the bad guys usually bolt at the first sign of resistance. Turns out most bad guys are cowards and will run once they realize they aren't taking on a soft target.
 
Great point ☝️ I also don't think most will stick around to find out what caliber they are looking at or hearing. Thankfully from most of the videos I've seen of home or personal defense, the bad guys usually bolt at the first sign of resistance. Turns out most bad guys are cowards and will run once they realize they aren't taking on a soft target.

You are correct at the first sign of armed resistance most perp's will bolt. I carried a S&W 351C for a while. Now I have a S&W 30-1 that has had the cylinder reamed to .32 H&R Magnum, it has one shot less than the 351C (7 shot), but one more that my S&W 60-7 (5 shot). Do not feel under gunned with a .32 H&R Mag.
 
When I started out my priorities were
1. Reliability
2. Accuracy
3. Ergonomics
4. Trigger
5. Sights

Part of being dumb is you are eventually dumb enough to slowly acquire some wisdom hopefully. With enough problems and waffling I've come to prioritize availability above all as the best ability. A gun can be exceptional at all 5 of those things but it's meaningless if not on my person. This has become #1 for me now when considering a carry gun.

I am just curious what more experienced members of the forums value in terms of their EDC guns? No need to list them in rank as I have, I would just like to learn more. Thanks in advance!

I have found that concealability is primary for me, which is directly related to your concern of availability. By this, though, I don't mean the smallest gun I can find. Rather, it is about fit and ergonomics given what I usually wear and where I am likely to go (95%) as well as where I may end up (5%, which may be a place where getting made with a pistol would bring undesirable attention, negative PR, etc.).

Over the years I have figured out that a thin gun is more important to me than a small one, given my body type, daily activities, normal mode of dress, etc. For many years this was a 5" 1911, strong side IWB, and I ultimately settled on a spread-loop holster (Milt Sparks Watch Six, VMII, etc.) as being best. This concealed better than a Summer Special style holster with the loops on the holster body. I can hide that setup equally well under a suit or under an untucked t-shirt, with two spare magazines (Kramer double-magazine pouch) on the weak side behind at 8:00.

On days and for purposes where that was going to be too much to keep hidden, an airweight j-frame would be used, either IWB (again, Sparks VMII) or in a pocket or, worst case, on an ankle. For extreme cases, I'd use a Seecamp.

Over time, the allure of capacity and weight reduction reared its head, and a G19 came into play. Same holster make and model, same location of carry. It was definitely easier to make that I was carrying a gun with at platform than the 1911, or at least it seemed like it to me. Just the slight difference in shape and thickness made a difference. I was not as confident with this setup in certain modes of dress, or with my other double-stack setups (5904, 5906, CZ75), which left me catching myself doing the various "tells" of adjusting and checking during the day. A related aspect to this was weight balance - a double-stack magazine puts a lot of weight above the belt line, with relatively little barrel below the beltline to counteract it moving about. I can more easily and confidently conceal a 5" N-frame IWB than I can my 5906, for example, at least without cinching my belt down like crazy.

I later shifted back to thinner guns from the G19, which for a time were aluminum frame 1911s (Commander size and Commander slide/Officer's frame). Concealed just as well as the full-size, but weighed less, which was nice.

After a time, ended up adding a K9 Kahr to the mix with the hope that I could stop swapping 1911-to-J-frame and back, and just use one thing for all instances where pocket or ankle carry wasn't required. For the past three years, that has worked. This is with two spare magazines on the off-side.

I think there is a benefit to limiting the number of platforms carried. Muscle memory is the big thing, of course, but not having to buy multiple versions of expensive holsters (especially if you like leather ones) that take months to be made, and not having to remember multiple manuals of arms, that stuff matters, too.

Beyond concealability, reliability is a deal-breaker. Apart from a couple guns that had a tendency not to go 100% into battery 100% of the time, again, quality guns seem to not have notable reliability issues. I'm talking tens of thousands of rounds without failures to feed, extract, or eject. I know you can usually induce a failure by limp-wristing, but that's not what I'm talking about, though it is probably a good thing to test - how much limp-wristing will a pistol accept before it chokes.

In 2023, there is no reason for an autoloader to be finicky in the way we accepted autoloaders would be decades ago. It should feed, shoot, and eject all first-tier defensive loadings - Gold Dot, HST, Golden Saber, Ranger-T. If it doesn't, it is of no use as a defensive pistol or carry ball if you must use it as a defensive pistol. In all cases, though, use quality magazines, keep your gun lubed to the level it prefers, and feed it quality ammunition.

Moving further beyond concealability and reliability, I'd say that ergonomics matter. Slides and hammers that bite, recoil impulses that bash the middle-finger knuckle into the trigger guard, controls that cannot be accessed without significantly shifting your grip, these are not acceptable because they are avoidable. There are enough good pistols out there that if you find yours doing this to you, try a different one. Same with grips that are too skinny or too wide for you, or triggers with reach that is too long or too short.

Rounding out the list, sights and accuracy are also important, but relatively less so. Each of us have eyes that work better or worse with different sighting systems, so try a few and pick a sighting system that works for you. As I get older and my eyes get older, systems that worked well for me at 22 years old when I started wearing a pistol on a daily basis don't necessarily fit the bill as well now. Sights are relatively cheap, so try a different type (especially on a gun like a Glock that is super easy to change sights on) and see what you prefer. Maybe you like a wider rear sight gap? Maybe you want a tritium front and black rear? Maybe you like bar-dot, or figure 8, or something like that? Try it and find out what catches your eye quickly while still allowing you the level of precision you require.

Mechanical accuracy of all modern, quality pistols should be sufficient for defensive or legitimate offensive use (e.g. actively seeking out threats that need to be eliminated, as LE might have occasion to do) at reasonable pistol distances. Accuracy deficiencies are attributable to operator error far more often than they are truly the fault of the pistol being mechanically inconsistent.

Beyond that, with a few decades of daily carry behind me, I'd just offer the suggestion to pick something that works and stick with it. Buy a duplicate (or two or three) of your carry piece(s) and your carry holster. Stock spare wear parts. Maybe just stock a full set of spare parts, period. Stock a good supply of range ammo and of carry ammo. Buy extra mags and mag parts. Dry fire a lot. Get to the range reasonably often.
 
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RELIABILITY.
Sometimes I wonder how many threats are stopped because the perp realizes there's a bulge.
Jim
 
Semi-Open Carry or Bulge Carry?

RELIABILITY.
Sometimes I wonder how many threats are stopped because the perp realizes there's a bulge.
Jim
There is no way to know because of a phenomenon in statistics analysis known as "survivorship bias". In short, successful deterrence don't make the papers. This is why the debate, so called, about open carry is never resolved. You will read stories in the paper about an armed citizen who was shot with his own gun, or who had his gun snatched from his holster while in line at the Quickie Mart. It is extremely rare, but it happens. It is even more rare, (I am 67 and I know of only one anecdote which I could never verify,) but people believe that it is a perfectly normal occurrence to be shot first because you are seen with your sidearm. Some even go so far as to declare that a cover garment is a "shoot me first vest". Mas Ayoob did a YouTube video about this fallacy on the Wilson Combat Channel.

Now we have you saying that someone might be deterred by seeing the bulge? You are right, but it is not what you think. See the writing of Dr. Wendy Patrick at Psychology Today if you want to get started on the very difficult study of the psychology of "Determinants of Target Victim Selection".

Kind regards.
BrianD
 
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