What cartridge uses .316 bullets?

[Andy Griffith]

I don't have my Cartridges of the World handy...so I'll just ask.


I just was given a Lyman small mould...
a #316475 (155gr. w/gas check)

I honestly don't think it has ever been used.

 

[OKFC05]

Was that the old Bullard rifle 32 cal?

 

[Andy Griffith]

Your guess is as good as mine.

I figured it would have to be something very, very odd- considering that there is only one mould in this diameter on the Lyman/Ideal chart.

 

[Bruce51]

That particular bullet mould was designed for oversize .30 calibers and 8mm with .318 groove diameter. I looked it up because my first thought was it was an 8mm. Bruce

 

[DCC]

Hi AG
If you cast 'em I'll shoot 'em - should be OK in a 1916 J P Sauer GEW 98 Mauser?
Lyman small mould...a #316475 (155gr. w/gas check) might have to buy one if they're still made? I slugged the barrel when I first got it -will have to re-measure the slug as I bet I didn't write it down anywhere...

Blairsville? nothing to do with our now ex-Prime Minister?

DCC

 

[Bruce51]

If someone has a .303 with an oversize bore that mould would make up some nice bullets. Bruce

 

[Andy Griffith]

Originally posted by DCC:

Blairsville? nothing to do with our now ex-Prime Minister?

DCC

No, nothing to do with your ex-PM.
Unless, that is, part of his family came over here in the early 1700's.

I always thought that the .319 bullet moulds were made for the .318 bores?

I'd send you a few bullets DCC, but I am now unaware of laws governing the export of them from the US, or importation into the UK- especially with all the new ITAR regulations.

Anyway, here is a site that has a chart of the Lyman/Ideal moulds for quick reference:

http://www.three-peaks.net/bullet_molds.htm

 

[Spotteddog]

.303 British are .311"-.312". I've never run cast, only jacketed out of them so don't know on that? I don't think I'd be able to run a .316" out of even my worst SMLE's bore?

 

[NKJ nut]

316475 was for .30 caliber rifles with an oversize bore and 8mm's with a .318 groove diameter. Uses a .30 cal. gas check.

DCC it will be too small for your 1916 vintage GEW 98.

 

[Noah Zark]

0.316" is the nominal size of the 310 Martini Cadet, for one.

Noah

 

[Spotteddog]

Now that makes sense Noah!

 

[TSQUARED]

That is the correct bullet and diameter for the 8.15X46R used in the old German Schuetzen rifles. I have one on a martini action and they were very popular on syste, Aydt actions. It's on a par with the 32-40 Win in terms of accuracy, etc.

Originally posted by Andy Griffith:
I don't have my Cartridges of the World handy...so I'll just ask.


I just was given a Lyman small mould...
a #316475 (155gr. w/gas check)

I honestly don't think it has ever been used.

 

[DCC]

Originally posted by TSQUARED:
That is the correct bullet and diameter for the 8.15X46R used in the old German Schuetzen rifles. I have one on a martini action and they were very popular on syste, Aydt actions. It's on a par with the 32-40 Win in terms of accuracy, etc.

Originally posted by Andy Griffith:
I don't have my Cartridges of the World handy...so I'll just ask.


I just was given a Lyman small mould...
a #316475 (155gr. w/gas check)

I honestly don't think it has ever been used.

With all this discussion I just dug out my box of "8mm Steyr" reloading kit for an M1895 in 8x56R and they measure out at .330/8.4mm...
one thing I do know about that cal is there are very expensive combination guns made in Europe in that cal.

DCC

 

[NKJ nut]

Originally posted by Noah Zark:
0.316" is the nominal size of the 310 Martini Cadet, for one.

Noah

Correct diameter, but the weight would be too heavy. The Cadet uses bullets in the 110 to 120 gr. range.

The info I gave earlier came out of the first edition Lyman cast bullet manual which came out in 1958.

 

[2152hq]

I think the .316dia is a bit on the small side for use in early 8mm Mauser cal rifles with the 'J' bore,though could probably be made to fly nicely with the right load. Should be a thou or 2 over the bore size to start.

It does indeed sound like a bullet for the 8.15x46R. A little heavy for the 310 Cadet,,then again maybe a bit light weight for the 8.15.
The gas check is odd for either application. But American shooters like G/C lead bullets..they can go faster!..

The 8x56R is .330 bullet dia. The earlier version that it's based on,, the 8x50R, is .323dia.
Most all of the Austrian M95's straight pull rifles & carbines were redone to the 8x56R from their original 8x50R caliber in the 1930's. Most rifles were cut down to carbine length in the conversion process.

The Lee-Speed Sporter Bolt rifles were available in '8mm Mannlicher' which was the 8x50R caliber.

I just sold my M95 rifle and M95/34 carbine and the last 1000rds of ammo for them. All 1937 & '38 mfg ammo in 8x56R. Quite a shoulder bruiser in the carbine.,,and don't creep up on that stock!!

 

[okie john]

If it drops them at .316, you could size them for the 303 British, especially if you have one with a worn bore. If they finish at that diameter, your guess is as good as mine.


Okie John

 

[NKJ nut]

In .303 you could have a problem with a bullet that large fitting the chamber of the gun. Not an insurmountable obstacle, but it is something to consider.

The same would go for the 7.7 Jap, which also is known for the occasional whopping big bore

 

[Gatofeo]

My Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, circa 1958, notes:

316158: This is a special bullet used by some shooters in the .32-40.

316204: A plain base bullet designed to cast .317.

316275: Plain base and casts between .316 and .317 diameter.

316475: Designed for oversize .30 calibers and 8mm with .318 groove diamteter. Uses .30-caliber gas check.