21 ft. FBI stats show about 95% of gunfights happen within this distance. Any further and I have brought the wrong gun. Joe
What distance do you train for?
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And what did I say?
I said:
Self Defense
7-10 Yards and that is mummel-pain = 20-30 Feet.
I said Home defense:
10 - 40 yards measured on my house measurements and my safe positions inside the house. I said also that it only works with a early warning system.
Shooting range rules:
No doubletaping (the rule is, 1 second break between the shoots)
No drawing from a holster and shoot.
No other rapid firing and only on target shooting.
The range that I found is a private range and there are 2 spots to practice.
It allows me to practise:
Draw shooting and double and triple taping on 2 targets in an 75 degrees angle to each other.
Empty an entire magazine as fast as I can on a target.
Lucky me.
And what did I say?
I said:
Self Defense
7-10 Yards and that is mummel-pain = 20-30 Feet.
I said Home defense:
10 - 40 yards measured on my house measurements and my safe positions inside the house. I said also that it only works with a early warning system.
Lucky you. I had o search for months until I found a range that allows draw and shoot. The most ranges here don't allow it periot.
Shooting range rules:
No doubletaping (the rule is, 1 second break between the shoots)
No drawing from a holster and shoot.
No other rapid firing and only on target shooting.
The range that I found is a private range and there are 2 spots to practice.
It allows me to practise:
Draw shooting and double and triple taping on 2 targets in an 75 degrees angle to each other.
Empty an entire magazine as fast as I can on a target.
Lucky me.
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I seldom shoot a handgun at more than 50 feet any more, and do most of my shooting at half that or less. However, every once in a while when I am at a venue that allows it, I stretch it out more.
Public ranges in my area also do not allow drawing or 'rapid' fire. There is a new range being built and when I asked if they were going to allow those normally prohibited things, they said they were going to try it.
I think if at any point a range once allowed drawing and rapid fire, the first time a few knuckle heads shoots themselves, lights, target system, floor, etc...the range is going to quickly change their minds for liability and increased cost to repair the facility (especially the target system).
Private or club ranges are generally run better.
I think if at any point a range once allowed drawing and rapid fire, the first time a few knuckle heads shoots themselves, lights, target system, floor, etc...the range is going to quickly change their minds for liability and increased cost to repair the facility (especially the target system).
Private or club ranges are generally run better.
Very few ranges allow draw and fire. I've never been able to do it at a local range (Dallas) except in a combat training class. But I've done it so many times in cowboy action shooting I'm not unfamiliar with it, except for where the gun is - which does matter.
Personally, I like to shoot long distances just to keep my skills up and my knowledge of what this or that gun can do for me. But defensive shooting, as far as I am concerned, in the home or on the street, is 7 yards or less. Since I already know that there is no target too big or too close that I can't miss it (thanks to cowboy action shooting!) I want to be sure I know what's what up close and personal. More than 21 feet and I can either run away or cause my opponent to think twice - closer than that, there is no time - two to the body, one to the head, thank you Jeff Cooper.
NOTE! If you're shooting a low capacity handgun, the above Mozambique drill leaves you very low on ammunition. You fire - you better be looking around to see if there is another opponent because you can't afford to miss. High capacity will alter that for you, obviously. So will a shotgun but that's a different subject for another thread.
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Personally, I like to shoot long distances just to keep my skills up and my knowledge of what this or that gun can do for me. But defensive shooting, as far as I am concerned, in the home or on the street, is 7 yards or less. Since I already know that there is no target too big or too close that I can't miss it (thanks to cowboy action shooting!) I want to be sure I know what's what up close and personal. More than 21 feet and I can either run away or cause my opponent to think twice - closer than that, there is no time - two to the body, one to the head, thank you Jeff Cooper.
NOTE! If you're shooting a low capacity handgun, the above Mozambique drill leaves you very low on ammunition. You fire - you better be looking around to see if there is another opponent because you can't afford to miss. High capacity will alter that for you, obviously. So will a shotgun but that's a different subject for another thread.
***GRJ***
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I mainly just keep it to 7 yards with my carry guns(j frames), but I'm curious now as to if I could hit the target consistently out to 15 yards.
Found out about a range that allows drawing from a holster and double tap shooting. I'm planning on trying it out in the next two weeks.
For those of you in South Florida, the range is called Long Shot and is located in the Homestead area.
Found out about a range that allows drawing from a holster and double tap shooting. I'm planning on trying it out in the next two weeks.
For those of you in South Florida, the range is called Long Shot and is located in the Homestead area.
I start with rapid fire at 5 yards emptying the mag as fast as I can to keep the hits center mass. Then I put up 4 eight inch targets and fire moving the gun from target to target.
Then left and right handed, double taps, etc.
Then I back out to 30 feet with more of the above and finish with some bulls eye shooting.
So to answer your question, I practice from 5 to 10 yards most of the time. On occasion I will target practice at 25 yards but that's just for fun.
Then left and right handed, double taps, etc.
Then I back out to 30 feet with more of the above and finish with some bulls eye shooting.
So to answer your question, I practice from 5 to 10 yards most of the time. On occasion I will target practice at 25 yards but that's just for fun.
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I shoot my carry gun (M60-7) at 7, 10, and 25 yards but the BULK of my practice with it is at the 7 yard line.
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There was a time when I trained at 18 Miles.
Of course then I didn't carry the gun it carried me
There was a time when I trained at 18 Miles.
Of course then I didn't carry the gun it carried me
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Everything between 1 and 25 yards with a handgun.
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Allowing the "general public" to draw & fire from a holster would scare the daylights out of me! I hope you have a better class of shooters than the "AVG" JOHN Q shooters I see at most ranges. Sounds like an RO's nightmare. Yes it is allowed (as well as other type events) for more experienced shooters in a different area, highly supervised, AFTER you have proven safety & skill. Many "seasoned" shooters still get DQ'd and stopped for the day. It's definitely NOT FOR ANYONE that just happened to get a CCL/GUN/HOLSTER, with little to no experience. After app 40 years experience, but physical conditions for the last 4 years, I won't try it yet, (with a loaded gun, outside my mancave) until I feel I am safe & ready. Back to topic, there is much more to it than distance, although I feel aimed fire at long (50 yards) makes you better up close. Realistically to prepare for self defense all ranges/ weak hand/ instinctive shooting/ one hand, both left and right/ dry firing/ one handed reloads/ eye patch over both eyes (one at a time)/ Vaseline on the shooting glasses & hands/ moving shooters and targets, etc. would all be part of a good program.
Allowing the "general public" to draw & fire from a holster would scare the daylights out of me! I hope you have a better class of shooters than the "AVG" JOHN Q shooters I see at most ranges. Sounds like an RO's nightmare. Yes it is allowed (as well as other type events) for more experienced shooters in a different area, highly supervised, AFTER you have proven safety & skill. Many "seasoned" shooters still get DQ'd and stopped for the day. It's definitely NOT FOR ANYONE that just happened to get a CCL/GUN/HOLSTER, with little to no experience. After app 40 years experience, but physical conditions for the last 4 years, I won't try it yet, (with a loaded gun, outside my mancave) until I feel I am safe & ready. Back to topic, there is much more to it than distance, although I feel aimed fire at long (50 yards) makes you better up close. Realistically to prepare for self defense all ranges/ weak hand/ instinctive shooting/ one hand, both left and right/ dry firing/ one handed reloads/ eye patch over both eyes (one at a time)/ Vaseline on the shooting glasses & hands/ moving shooters and targets, etc. would all be part of a good program.
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RAPID FIRE?
Sure I shoot in timed events and times count, BUT controlled fire quickly may be a better term. A missed shot, or worse, shooting so fast you miss a squib load, may ruin more than your score time.
Sure I shoot in timed events and times count, BUT controlled fire quickly may be a better term. A missed shot, or worse, shooting so fast you miss a squib load, may ruin more than your score time.
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WoW thanks for mention that. What I observed more than once on a shooting range is so unbelievable, if I tell you call me a liar.
Drawing and shooting have to be practiced first dry. To do it right is for others may be easy, but for beginners it could be very tricky.
I hear often: "I can carry concealed a full 1911". Question, "Can you draw and click, cklick on a 20 feet distanced target, with this weapon in 2 seconds also?
Concealed Carry is important but accessibility and handling is very important and have to be practiced first.
Always keep in mind, independently from any caliber discussion, distance discussion etc. Your survival timeframe is only 2 seconds to hit the target at least once. That is all what counts.
For me was it a long journey to find the right weapon, thee right weight so that concealed carry make sense, fulfill the protection level that I desire and fit in my personal lifestyle, so that my life is not circling around a weapon. The weapon have to fit into my lifestyle. Carrying dont make me to a Rocky Balboa and my level of pain don't have to reach his face impression only because my gun is pressing on my bones or is to heavy.
Practice, and practice again and again. That is a never ending story.
That's the 5 cent opinion from a old sucker. You can thank me later
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I practice at 20ft or so, for two reasons. First, my state law requires me to retreat from the threat if possible, IOW, if the threat was farther than that distance, IMO, I should be able to get away from it. And second, that's the distance in my home that I've determined to be the most likely for defense against an intruder. I don't care if it's not much of a challenge practicing from 20ft; all my practice time is dedicated to SD and HD. In fact, I'm happy to have great hits, because that tells me I'll probably be able to stop a threat in a real situation.
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Our club range (in general) only allows 50', no more, no less.
If I can hit you at 50', I'm pretty sure I can do it at 7 yards, or 10 feet.
Now that I have a real job, I plan to occasionally do some closer shooting on one of the public ranges that have target return systems. There was only one at all close by until recently (the other is so dangerously unsupervised that I won't shoot there). A new one just opened, and although the fees are kind of high, it's pretty close by. It's worth it for occasional 7 yard practice.
If I can hit you at 50', I'm pretty sure I can do it at 7 yards, or 10 feet.
Now that I have a real job, I plan to occasionally do some closer shooting on one of the public ranges that have target return systems. There was only one at all close by until recently (the other is so dangerously unsupervised that I won't shoot there). A new one just opened, and although the fees are kind of high, it's pretty close by. It's worth it for occasional 7 yard practice.
Most of the qual course-of-fire drills I do run from 3-15 yards, give or take, as it can vary from one time to the next. This is possible because I'm working on a hot LE-Only range, though.
I still do pistol & revolver shooting from longer distances of 20-50 yards to maintain my skillset basics (as any mistakes become more noticeable as shooter/target distance increases).
I had to be cycled through an instructor update class before I retired, and one of the required courses-of-fire involved shooting issued/duty pistols (no revolvers brought to the class) out to 50yds. It was eventually done for score with both normal sighted fire, and then using black tape to cover the front & rear sights (applied & left wide, so you weren't just creating blacked out, normal profile sights).
Training & practice, both done properly & frequently enough to maintain skills. Shooting well at distance generally seems to make shooting at closer distances seem easier.
I still do pistol & revolver shooting from longer distances of 20-50 yards to maintain my skillset basics (as any mistakes become more noticeable as shooter/target distance increases).
I had to be cycled through an instructor update class before I retired, and one of the required courses-of-fire involved shooting issued/duty pistols (no revolvers brought to the class) out to 50yds. It was eventually done for score with both normal sighted fire, and then using black tape to cover the front & rear sights (applied & left wide, so you weren't just creating blacked out, normal profile sights).
Training & practice, both done properly & frequently enough to maintain skills. Shooting well at distance generally seems to make shooting at closer distances seem easier.
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gunfighter48
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I normally practice at 5 to 15 yards. As others have said most attacks are very close. I just bought a Shield 9mm and went to the range today. Did most my practice at 5 - 7 yards. With my 1911 4" 45ACPs i will practice from 7 - 15 yards, longer sight radius. With more practice on the Shield, I'll stretch the range out to 15 yards.
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