What Do You Think Of The M&P9c for CCW?

[obiestreasures]

Iam thinking of ordering a M&P9c for a CCW ( thats the 9mm that has a Thumb Saftey) which my local gun shop said he can get for me at $529. NIB and then get either a $50.rebate or two free mags from S&W if bought befor Dec.31st.Rite now Iam using a Glock-19 for CCW but dont like the idea of no saftey on the gun other that the triger that Glock has. Dont get my wrong I like the glock very much but have not talked to anyone that has or has shot the M&P9 Soooo Iam hopeing you folks can give some insite on the M&P9.Looking for advise.....I like the idea of the THUMB SAFTEY.
Thanks
Ron
P.S. I have a ton of 9 mm ammo. thats why I want to stick to 9mm.

 

[obiestreasures]

Iam thinking of ordering a M&P9c for a CCW ( thats the 9mm that has a Thumb Saftey) which my local gun shop said he can get for me at $529. NIB and then get either a $50.rebate or two free mags from S&W if bought befor Dec.31st.Rite now Iam using a Glock-19 for CCW but dont like the idea of no saftey on the gun other that the triger that Glock has. Dont get my wrong I like the glock very much but have not talked to anyone that has or has shot the M&P9 Soooo Iam hopeing you folks can give some insite on the M&P9.Looking for advise.....I like the idea of the THUMB SAFTEY.
Thanks
Ron
P.S. I have a ton of 9 mm ammo. thats why I want to stick to 9mm.

 

[TSQUARED]

The M&P9C would be an excelent choice for a carry gun if it's the size gun you can comfortably carry. I used to carry a Glock 36 but have recently switched to guns that more easilly drop into a pocket. I use either a S&W642 or a Kahr PM-9 for pocket carry.

 

[sdrct]

M&P9c is a very good choice for CCW. Mine is dead accurate, POA/POI is right on at 8 yards, and it is very comfortable and controllable in rapid fire and fast doubles.

 

[JoeS]

Very good pistol for concealed carry i should think. Mine has been reliable and shoots well. I don't have the thumb safety model but I see no reason it wouldn't be everything the regular model is.

 

[ZO6Vettever]

Glock has a passive trigger safety, finger off the trigger, safety on, finger on the trigger, safety off. Simple and effective. My Sigma is the same, not sure about the M&P's without the thumb safety but I personally don't want to have to fiddle with a safety in a stress filled moment. Just my two cents and sometimes it ain't worth even a penny!

 

[BarbC]

Here's the safety:

Keep your index finger out of the trigger guard until you're ready to fire.

None of my DAO semi-autos have thumb safeties. Property safety habits are all that's necessary, the same as with revolvers.

If you're "all thumbs" and/or don't trust yourself to always follow safety rules, then get the thumb safety.

 

[Spotteddog]

The option was available (BTW, excellent quoted price!) but I came down on it the same place Barb did for my 9c. I've used a 1911' for so long now, the wipe off of the thumb safety is something I do subconsciously with any gun, flat or round? Is that the case for you? If not, your muscle memory will take over and what ever system your most experienced with, will be the way your hands will act. I really am confused by the fair amount of paranoia about a gun who's trigger needs to be pulled, in order for it to fire. If unfamiliar with a certain type of safety, is operating it properly any more likely to be remembered, than keeping one's finger out of the guard?

 

[tigerfans2]

Originally posted by BarbC:
Here's the safety:

Keep your index finger out of the trigger guard until you're ready to fire.

None of my DAO semi-autos have thumb safeties. Property safety habits are all that's necessary, the same as with revolvers.

If you're "all thumbs" and/or don't trust yourself to always follow safety rules, then get the thumb safety.

What she said.

I didn't know they offered m&p's with thumb safeties till now, and don't even know why................................

 

[bubbaturbo]

Does anybody else get the impression sometimes that a whole lot of DAO pistol shooters not only don't like thumb safeties but also don't think anybody else should be allowed to even have one?

 

[jeffsmith]

Isn't a Thumb Safety on a DAO a bit like having
a Clutch Pedal with an Automatic Transmission

 

[ZO6Vettever]

Originally posted by jeffsmith:
Isn't a Thumb Safety on a DAO a bit like having
a Clutch Pedal with an Automatic Transmission

I believe that's a pretty good analogy but as always, to each their own!

 

[BarbC]

Originally posted by bubbaturbo:
Does anybody else get the impression sometimes that a whole lot of DAO pistol shooters not only don't like thumb safeties but also don't think anybody else should be allowed to even have one?

I get the impression there's an awful lot of gun owners out there who not only don't know what they're doing but don't even care to learn the proper methods, thinking instead they'll find a way around their shortcomings, and so may ultimately end up with a situation that is potentially very dangerous.

To me, a thumb safety on a DAO is a solution looking for a problem.

Buy the M&P you want. Practice a lot with it and get to know it very well. It really is a great gun.

 

[bubbaturbo]

I get the impression there's an awful lot of gun owners out there who not only don't know what they're doing but don't even care to learn the proper methods, thinking instead they'll find a way around their shortcomings, and so ultimately end up with a problem that is potentially very dangerous.

I believe I struck a nerve. So Barb, I guess you're a big believer in gun control because of how dangerous all those gun owners are.

Personally, I couldn't care less whether someone wants a thumb safety or not. What I don't understand is the endless need of some of those who don't like them to denigrate anybody who might want one. So now, according to Barb at least, wanting an additional safety is a "shortcoming" that makes you a dangerous gun owner. That's ridiculous.

 

[BarbC]

No, wanting a SHORTCUT to safety makes you a dangerous gun owner.

 

[bubbaturbo]

No, wanting a SHORTCUT to safety makes you a dangerous gun owner.

So Barb, how did you come to the conclusion that someone wanting a thumb safety must also be unable to keep their finger off the trigger and is therefore looking for a "shortcut" to safety. I have guns with thumb safeties and guns without and I manage to keep my finger off the trigger until I'm ready to shoot.

 

[BarbC]

I suppose I may have jumped to conclusions, bubbaturbo. It just seems so pointlessly redundant to have a double-action-only semi-auto with a thumb safety that I could only surmise the desire to have one was because somebody must have a bad habit of not keeping their finger off the trigger and was fearful of a negligent discharge.

And if somebody has the bad habit of not keeping their finger out of the trigger guard, reliance upon a thumb safety as the fail-safe might be a poor substitution for training oneself to maintain good safety habits.

 

[Red Tex]

I've had my 9C for just under a year now. Very impressive little handgun. Compact, yet it holds 12+1 rounds. Too large for pocket carry, but I've carried mine in a fanny pack, and it works perfectly that way. Very accurate, very reliable. Mine has digested all manner of ammo w/o protest. Absorbs recoil very well. Even +P rounds are pussycats in this pistol. I'd avoid +P+, though.

 

[Bullitholz]

I have an M&P45 full size with the thumb safety. FWIW the M&P line is not DAO, regardless of what the advertising says. The mechanism that fires the M&P is more like a single action than a double IMO. Basically all the trigger does is release the sear and alow the stiker to function, when pulled. Once a round is chambed the gun is cocked an ready to fire. Fortunately S&W put a firing pin block mechanism in these guns so they will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. In many ways these guns resemble a Series 80 Colt more than anything else, especially if you have one with the thumb safety installed. Be aware that all the safety does is block the trigger bar from moving to the rear and it's detents can be a little loose for some users tastes. The safety is probaly the one feature on my gun that I dislike the most.

I will say one more thing though, the safeties on my 45 protrude quite a bit which I don't care for but I don't CCW so it's not an issue anyway. If I did CCW and decided to go with the M&P9C I wouldn't get one with the safety installed for the very reason stated above, that gun is a super nice package for CCW as is, without the safety.

 

[cgv69]

A few random thoughts...

You may like the idea of an external manual safety but I would strongly advise against it. I just saw a video the other day of a jewelry store owner who had a concealed pistol. A thug pulled out a gun and started shooting at the shop owner. The shop owner was already suspicious so when the bad guy went for his gun, the shop owner went to draw his as was only a 1-2 seconds behind. The problem was the shop owner's pistol had a manual safety that was engaged and the shop owner was not able to disengage quickly enough. Result? The shop owner never got off a single shot but did get shot himself multiple times. The only reason why he survived was that by the end, with the thug right up on him and the shop owner sitting there at his mercy begging for his life, the thug went to shoot him point blank in the head but luckily he was out of ammo.

Now you could make the very reasonable argument that the owner simply didn't train enough with his pistol and if he had, the manual safety wouldn't have been an issue. True, but it can be just as easily argued that with proper training and mindset, there is no need for a manual safety to start with. Whatever you get, you need to train with that pistol often and know it, and how to safely and effectively deploy it, just as instinctively as you know how to walk or crap.

Pros and Cons aside, are you sure the M&P9c is available now with a manual thumb safety? I know that was supposed to be an option at some point but the last thing I've heard was the only M&P's currently available with a thumb safety are the .45ACP versions?

Now, to the root of your question.. Yes, the M&P9c is a very good CCW weapon. The only downside to it IMO is the availability of quality fitted holsters made for it. If you already CCW now and have a favorite holster, check to see if that holster is available fitted for the M&P9c? If so, you should be GTG.