What does "RE" in a circle on the grip frame and other questions

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I may have screwed myself but you'll be the judge!

First, here's the gun:
S&W 27-2. Sn N81xxx
Three screw, 3.5"bbl; Magna stocks (one numbered to the gun).

Bought online. Gun condition overall okay, I'd guess blueing is 95%.

The online posting said that the frame is numbered to the box. However, the serial number on the box was "erased" and a new serial number written in it's place. Different color ink even. I can see some remnants of the previous serial number on the box.

The screw in the plate under the grips does not look like the correct screw as it does not have the un-threaded portion - just the short threaded portion and the top of the screw and the top of the screw is flat - almost like a scope ring screw or something out of a box of various blued screews from Brownells.

I paid $1600 for the gun.

There is a 3-day inspection period on the gun and I paid with a credit card. I'm open to discussing with the seller who has a high rating on Gunbroker but would like to know the value of the gun and box.

Questions:
1. By about how much does the apparently fraudulently-marked box reduce the value of the gun-box package?

2. the number on the inside of the crane is 54621 - is this a part number or should it match the serial number? I have some other Smith's but not this old so I don't know.

3. The ejector rod is slightly eccentric but does not seem to rub much upon ejecting at all.

My goal for the gun is to have one that is not NIB as I want to be able to shoot it once a year and enjoy it, but still have one that is good enough to hold or gain value.

What is your wisdom on this matter? Should I simply return it, or negotiate for a more fair price?

Thanks in advance.
 
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1. It might as well not have a box but are you going to display it or shoot it?
2. The number on the yoke is an assembly number for fitting parts. Has no meaning outside the factory.
3. I wouldn't be concerned. They can be straightened if it is bothering you.
You paid a big price for a -2 but the short barrels are always more.
 
S&W didn't make a 3 1/2" barreled Model 29-2 in the serial number range of your gun. They rarely if ever sold Model 29s with magna stocks. When the seller erases a serial number on a box and writes in the gun's number that's fraud.

This deal is a mess as described by you. Don't argue or negotiate, send the gun back and stop payment on your credit card. Don't dicker with a crook. Oh yes, you over-payed by as much as $1K.
 
Is it actually 3 1/2"? That would be a non-standard size for a 29-2. Could it be a 4"? You measure from the end of the barrel to the front of the cylinder.

Did you mean a 27-2? Then the barrel length and the magnas would make sense.

You paid top dollar, actually quite a bit more unless you are in California or some other out of the way place. The box should match, and you shouldn't have any questions about replaced screws or wobbly ejector rods.

I'd send it back.

(Welcome to the forum!)
 
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I personally have never saw a 29-2 with a 3 1/2" barrel.........


It's not something that I would consider as a real deal.






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YES - that you! I typed 29 out of habit (I have one of those too). It is a 27-2!
 
The 27-2 with the 3 1/2 barrel brings a premium around here. Never really see them. On the very rare occasion they do pop up they are pretty close to that price. That's just the gun. I have a closet full of boxes and really could care less about them. I know some folks really want them. I want the gun and to shoot it. I would say if you like the gun keep it and negotiate on the box if you want. Maybe he will refund a little for it not being correct.
 
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The 27-2 with the 3 1/2 barrel brings a premium around here. Never really see them. On the very rare occasion they do pop up they are pretty close to that price. That's just the gun. I have a closet full of boxes and really could care less about them. I know some folks really want them. I want the gun and to shoot it. I would say if you like the gun keep it and negotiate on the box if you want. Maybe he will refund a little for it not being correct.

Okay, fair enough... except I see stuff like this - no box, but better condition, 27 (no dash)
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771025735 and
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/774560489
 
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Pics would help (yes, we love gun porn here too :D ). As for the box, it sounds like the seller had bought another box and erased the original serial number and printed in the one for your gun. That ain't too kosher in my book. As to pricing, $1600 for a an earlier 5 digit N serial like yours is a bit high, but not grossly so. Yours should have been made around the late 60's to 1971 or so according to the SCSW. As far as the flat head screw, that is what should be there under the grips. It wasn't until way later that S&W used dome head screws in that spot. I don't know when they stopped using the flat head screw there, but they still were using the flat head screw under the grip area on my 27-5 of 1991 vintage and also my 629-3 Classic of 1991-1992 vintage.

BTW, just to give you another data point on pricing for 3 1/2" barrel 27-2 guns, I bought a nickel gun a few months ago with original box (real original box) and it also came with a presentation case (didn't originally come with the gun and seller stated so in the auction) and was in at least the same condition as yours and I gave $1800 for the package (GB buy). Mine is a little later gun than yours, with a serial # of N162XXX, which puts a manufacture date of somewhere around 1974.
 
Pics would help (yes, we love gun porn here too :D ). As for the box, it sounds like the seller had bought another box and erased the original serial number and printed in the one for your gun. That ain't too kosher in my book. As to pricing, $1600 for a an earlier 5 digit N serial like yours is a bit high, but not grossly so. Yours should have been made around the late 60's to 1971 or so according to the SCSW. As far as the flat head screw, that is what should be there under the grips. It wasn't until way later that S&W used dome head screws in that spot. I don't know when they stopped using the flat head screw there, but they still were using the flat head screw under the grip area on my 27-5 of 1991 vintage and also my 629-3 Classic of 1991-1992 vintage.

BTW, just to give you another data point on pricing for 3 1/2" barrel 27-2 guns, I bought a nickel gun a few months ago with original box (real original box) and it also came with a presentation case (didn't originally come with the gun and seller stated so in the auction) and was in at least the same condition as yours and I gave $1800 for the package (GB buy). Mine is a little later gun than yours, with a serial # of N162XXX, which puts a manufacture date of somewhere around 1974.

This is the easiest way... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772841089
I will post a photo of the end of the box below.
 
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S&W didn't make a 3 1/2" barreled Model 29-2 in the serial number range of your gun. They rarely if ever sold Model 29s with magna stocks. When the seller erases a serial number on a box and writes in the gun's number that's fraud.

This deal is a mess as described by you. Don't argue or negotiate, send the gun back and stop payment on your credit card. Don't dicker with a crook. Oh yes, you over-payed by as much as $1K.

Who said anything about a 29-2? I though it was a 27-2!
 
Box end photo - what do you think?
 

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S&W didn't make a 3 1/2" barreled Model 29-2 in the serial number range of your gun. They rarely if ever sold Model 29s with magna stocks. When the seller erases a serial number on a box and writes in the gun's number that's fraud.

This deal is a mess as described by you. Don't argue or negotiate, send the gun back and stop payment on your credit card. Don't dicker with a crook. Oh yes, you over-payed by as much as $1K.

You are correct - I MIStyped 29 out of habit as I have a 29; it is a 27-2. Thank you for pointing it out and I apologize for the confusion.
 
"RE" in a circle

I looked in my Catalog of the S&W book and dcan't find a referenc to this - there is an "RE" inside a circle stamped in the grip frame - know the meaning of that?
 
Just my opinion, but I am reminded of something my daddy used to say. "Son, if a man will lie to you, he will steal from you." The seller stated it was the original box, serial numbered to the gun. No, it's not. It's serial numbered to the gun NOW, after he forged it. It's NOT the original box. I'd send it back AFTER I stopped payment. If the seller is willing to lie about something as trivial as an original box in order to make a sale, I wouldn't trust anything he said.
 
Could it be an "RB"? I bought a 27-2 with that mark and it signified a blue refinish at the factory. I lettered the gun (shipped October of 1970) and it was sent back just a few months (January 1971) after to be reblued, no idea why. The guy I got it from didn't know either.

Here's what that stamp looks like:
 
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