What Full Sized Revolver Was Most Carried “In the Old West”

I read about half of page one of this zombie thread and skim,Ed over the rest, so apologies if I'm being repetitious. But here's my take on things:

- Cap and ball revolvers remained popular long after cartridge revolvers appeared, because all you needed was a source of lead, a mould, black powder and caps. With the exception of the mould it's all pretty generic and much easier to obtain in the much less settled west than one of many cartridge possibilities. Consequently cap and ball revolvers were both cheaper to acquire and cheaper to feed.



- The same was true to a great extent with cartridge rifles like the 1873 Sharps and 1885 Winchester High Wall. I've been using the same couple hundred 45-70 cartridges for over 20 years in my Sharps. I wash them in soapy water and then press the bullet in by hand after loading the case with powder and wad. They've never seen a sizing die. That reduces the things needed to feed it to primers, powder, lead, a bullet mold and a small hand press to prime the case.



- Money was tight. Most folks if they needed a gun were going to opt for a shotgun as it could serve to put meat on the table in terms of birds, small game and medium sized game, and usually do it with just one shot. It was also a viable self defense weapon. It's not as sexy as the vision of people John Wayning around the west with a Winchester lever gun and a Colt revolver, but it's how it was.

(As an aside that Winchester John Wayne is swinging is almost always an 1892 Winchester, even in movies set prior to 1892, because they were readily available when the movies were shot.)



- If more range than a shotgun provided was required a rifle was the go to choice, not a revolver. The .38-40, .44-40, and .32-20 were all developed as black powder rifle cartridges for the 1873 Winchester. The fact that they saw use in revolvers was secondary.



- Revolvers designed to use those cartridges (Colt 1877, S&W New Model 3, Remington 1875 and 1890, etc) were predicated on the probability of a prospective buyer already owning a rifle chambered for that cartridge and wanting to keep the logistics simple with a single cartridge that would work in both.



- People today think "Colt .45" when that really only applied to the 1873 Colt Single Action Army revolver which was developed for the US Army as was the .45 Colt cartridge. The .45 Colt was a straight wall case designed to maximize powder capacity and performance with a small rim for head space purposes only. The small rim allowed for a smaller cylinder diameter.

However the small rim and straight case walls of the .45 Colt meant it was totally unsuited to use in a lever action rifle (or single shot rifle for that matter) during the black powder era as it lacked the typical slight bottle neck to seal the chamber sooner to prevent gas coming back into the action, the tapered body to reduce extraction force required and a large, heavy rim to prevent an extractor from tearing off the rim. As it was Colt put a .007" taper in the chamber to help reduce extraction forces even with the rod ejector design.

As a result of the unsuitability of the .45 Colt in a rifle or carbine the 1877 Colt Frontier was chambered in .44-40, as well as .38-40 and .32-20. This capitalized on the popularity of the Winchester 1873 rifle and later the Winchester 1892 rifle, both of which were chambered for those rounds. In short the 1873 SAA and it's .45 Colt cartridge were primarily military items, while the 1877 Colt in .44-40 and .38-40 was intended for and much more common in the civilian market, and in civilian use.

The S&W Schofield is a good example of the problems with the black powder .45 Colt Cartridge. It just wasn't suitable to use with a star ejector. S&W consequently developed a short version of the cartridge for use in the military model, and that shorter round became standard as it also worked in the SAA.

In contrast the S&W Model 3 worked fine with the .44-40. The Remington 1875 was developed for the same military trials as the 1873 Colt, and was chambered for .44 Remington, .44-40 and .45 Colt at various times. But it's significant that the follow on 1890 Remington was only chambered in .44-40.


- There were also a number of cartridge conversions for cap and ball revolvers, offered in various degrees of complexity and cost. In revolvers like the 1860 Army and 1958 Remington they were practical, if in some cases slower to eject the fired cartridges.


- In more settled areas a smaller pocket pistol (Derringer, Protector palm pistol, etc) was a lot more,likely to be carried than a full sized revolver.


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In short, there was a lot of variety and in terms of numbers it would have been:

1) Shotguns;
2) Rifles and carbines;
3) cap and ball revolvers and conversions; and then
4) cartridge revolvers and pistols.
 
Worked with a fella who had
roots in Wyoming. He said his
grand pappy had a Remington
cap and ball revolver and never
saw a need to buy a cartridge handgun.

Not related to the "Old West" but the mindset of previous generations of gunmen.

Dad was a Police Officer from 1938-1977 and an avoid shooter on the Dept Pistol Team (1950s on); over those 39 years he;

Bought and had King's modify a 6" .357 Colt New Service in 1938/39
Bought a 4" .38 M&P when he returned from the S Pacific in 1946/47
Bought a 2" Colt Detective Special in the early-50s (promoted to Sgt.)
Nothing new or additional in his last 20-25 years.

He retired as a Captain, house was paid off before I went to College.... so affordability was not an issue.

Had what he needed and what served him well!!!!!!!

Both of my Grandfathers semi-rural Pa. got by with single barrel 12 gauge shotguns.
 
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^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Single barrel or double barrel shotguns were THE guns that certainly tamed the West. They truly were ubiquitous and could be found pretty much in every residence, business, and/or wagon.

I believe that. For one thing you could buy a second barrel and have a more-or-less rifle and a shotgun. Gun fights in the streets were uncommon but putting food on the table wasn't. Most people led a pretty isolated existence on farms and ranches. Only in cities people carried revolvers. In Tombstone AZ (1881) it was illegal to carry a sidearm as was it in many other towns. Lots of people carried concealed so as to not attract the attention of the local police.

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My dads model 97 was ordered with two barrels. One was a 30" full choke and the other was a 20" cyl (no choke) barrel. It was built in 1917. I haven't tried to trace the gun to it's original owner because Winchester lost many of those records and they no longer exists as an American company.

So there you have it. A shotgun for darn near everything you need. Eat, keep the salesmen away and entertain you at the same time with just a barrel change. Or a choke tube today.

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I am the original poster. I know this thread is very old. Thanks to everyone who participated in providing feedback. I became unfortunately sidetracked during the timeframe about halfway through responses to this thread.

The reason for this thread in the first place was twofold. 1st I have long collected both old Colt's & Smith's. 2nd I was becoming disenchanted with what everybody was supposed to collect. I decided to focus for a while in a direction not getting much attention.

The more is studied those revolvers not commonly collected, the more I understood that the vast majority of revolvers owned during this timeframe were not the Cost SAA, Smith Model 3, or Remington. It was the cheaper array of revolver available at the time.

So, if you are interested, I have written and published the first book in a very-very long time solely about so-called suicide special revolvers. All were not the dangerous, poorly manufactured firearms we have come to believe. In the book I have stripped down, cleaned, repaired, and accessed the quality for many of these revolvers. It was surprising.

The book is now for sale on Amazon, entitled: "Inside the Suicide Special Revolver". I think you would enjoy it.
 
I saw this one pop up again, congratulations on your work.

Brought another item to mind. There were a lot of muzzleloaders surplused after the Civil War when the Army was going to breechloaders.
A .58 rifle musket was cheap and serviceable, often cut down and even smoothbored as a shotgun.

Or another. In the book version of The Unforgiven, the settlers were fighting off hostiles with, among other weapons, a rifled musket; not the same thing as a rifle musket, but a .69 taken in and rifled to supplement the .58s. I bet that is authentic, too.
 
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I think you are correct! I am going through "Arming The West" by Herbert G. Houze right now. His numbers from a large arms distributor of the time seems to confirm what you are saying. Delving deeper........
 
I guess your response went over my head? I assume you mean people are not interested in either of these topics. I think you are right. Many people are so strongly entrenched in long held beliefs that no amount of information would change their minds.
 
Wow! Only three per year on average, spread over five towns. Less than one per year per town, average. It would be interesting to know what that worked out to per capita.

Was that it, or "an armed society is a polite society"?

Let's not forget that early cars were pretty rickety and fragile. I believe a lot of cowboying on horseback was done well into the 20th Century. Many years the Bisley could have been a working gun out west. What made it a target pistol other than its distinctive grip?

Bisley is the name of a British shooting club and range that hosted international competitions drawing shooters from all over the world, back in the 1890s and early 1900s. Very prestigious to be invited, even more so to be sponsored by the various firearms manufacturers hoping to claim greater market share for their products.

In addition to the Bisley Model, Colt manufactured a very limited number of "Flat-top" SAA revolvers featuring drift-adjustable rear sights and interchangeable front sight posts, specifically intended for target shooting at various ranges. A few Single Action Army revolvers were made incorporating the longer and slightly larger grip-frame of the 1860 Army revolver (another highly prized collectible, if authentic to the period).

Many colleges and universities included shooting clubs and revolver clubs, frequently sending teams of shooters to compete in major events all over North America and Europe. Major cities frequently had shooting galleries available to the public, including New York and Chicago. So called "gallery" shooting was popular, seen in saloons and private gentlemens' clubs, using many popular handguns with very lightly loaded ammunition for indoor use on targets.

Most of these things were experienced on the upper end of the economic scales, while most of the United States remained rural, isolated, and often desperately poor. Life during the period Post-Civil War until the 1920s was rather brutal for the majority of the American population.
 

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