What Good Is A K Frame?

I believe that K and J frames are the most popular S&W revolvers ever made. Most of mine are K and J frames.

They must have some utilitarian uses or there wouldn't be so many out there. Police and military purchased a lot of K frames.
 
I have a handful (well, several handfuls) of K frames. None are .357s. I'd rather have the extra heft of a L or N frame.

They're great shooters and have historical value. I wouldn't buy a new one but I'll gladly round up the older ones, particularly those with adjustable sights.
 
Thanks guys, I'm going to see if I can find a 3" 66.
 
In my opinion revolvers in the original Combat Masterpiece/Combat Magnum configurations are the best handling/carrying/shooting .38s & .357s ever devised!

If you don't have one you owe it to yourself.

So that means a K frame with 4" barrel, square butt and adjustable sights in .38 special or .357 Magnum. A 67 or 66 in stainless or a blued or nickel 14 or 19.

I have a 6" 48-2 .22 Magnum and a 3" 13-2 .357 and love them, but the sweetest of the Ks are 4"s with target sights and square butts. They have the nicest triggers, best fitting grips, smoothest reloads and work the best from the holster, at least for me.

I still need a 19 and a K22 myself...
 
The K frame is a wonderful medium frame .38 Special, as it was orginally designed. A great combination of ergonomics and heft in a mid size revolver.

However, when it comes to .357 Magnum, the L frame is a much better option. Most Smith fans will not admit this, but there is less than one ounce of weight difference between a half lug L frame and a K frame Magnum, with the same profile barrel. A good example that I like to use is the 620 vs 66-8 comparison. The 620 weighs in at 37 ounces, and the 66-8 weighs in at 36.9 ounces. A six shot 686 Mountain Gun, with a tapered barrel, weighs in at just over 35 ounces. The L frame also has the advantage of an optional seven round cylinder.

With the K frame magnum, you will also have to deal with a clearanced forcing cone (as with the originals), or a deleted gas ring (as with the new versions). There are simply no advantages to a K magnum over a half lug L frame.
 
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The K frame is a wonderful medium frame .38 Special, as it was orginally designed. A great combination of ergonomics and heft in a mid size revolver.

However, when it comes to .357 Magnum, the L frame is a much better option. Most Smith fans will not admit this, but there is less than one ounce of weight difference between a half lug L frame and a K frame Magnum, with the same profile barrel. A good example that I like to use is the 620 vs 66-8 comparison. The 620 weighs in at 37 ounces, and the 66-8 weighs in at 36.9 ounces. A six shot 686 Mountain Gun, with a tapered barrel, weighs in at just over 35 ounces. The L frame also has the advantage of an optional seven round cylinder.

With the K frame magnum, you will also have to deal with a clearanced forcing cone (as with the originals), or a deleted gas ring (as with the new versions). There are simply no advantages to a K magnum over a half lug L frame.

I'll always equate 38 spl with the K and J frame and 357 with the larger frames. L frame was designed for the 357 from day one.
 
K-Frames... did someone mention K-Frames?

.22's, 38's, 32 H&R Magnum, .357 Magnum and a .22 Jet. The K-Frames have the most variations in calibers and barrel lengths to choose from, so there's a lot of options.

The two with the full barrel under lugs that look like an L-Frames are my K-Frame 16-4's. One of them has been re-chambered to .327 Fed. Mag, and it has become my all time favorite "woods gun".

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The old magnum Ks had issues that were a bit overblown. I've owned as many as if not more than lightweight J frames, and I've had three Js with cracked or otherwise destroyed frames, but still have yet to encounter a 19 with a cracked forcing cone in the wild.

They are of an excellent size, weight, and balance. Here's mine on last week's backpacking trip, with a bonus night shot. As you can see, bears, marmots, moose, and other miscreants are scared by its mere presence and left me to post another day.

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Don't forget the M19 and M66, two of the most popular S&W's made. Tone down the .357 loads just a little and don't use 110 or 125 grain bullets and they'll last forever. A RB 2-1/2" makes a good CC, only marginally bigger than a J-frame snubbie.
Hair Trigger is right I only mentioned .38 Special. There are good quality .357 K frames! Bob
 
Until you and a buddy have chased a range ball ,each armed with a 17/617 you haven't really lived haha
It's a hoot and really improves your target acquisition speed
Not sure why , but I shoot my 17/617 better than anything Ive ever owned
 
With the K frame magnum, you will also have to deal with a clearanced forcing cone (as with the originals), or a deleted gas ring (as with the new versions). There are simply no advantages to a K magnum over a half lug L frame.


True of older K-frame 357's, but the barrel clearance issue was addressed with the current production Model 19 Classic and Model 66 Classic.
 
Before changing to Model 645 semi-auto, we carried Model 66 as a duty gun. I sold mine to buy a semi-auto. I since regretted selling it and a j frame. Last year I bought a 3" Model 66, and changed the adjustable sight to a fixed one, and also bought a new Model 60. I don't like adjustable sights.The Model 66 is a great revolver.
 
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True of older K-frame 357's, but the barrel clearance issue was addressed with the current production Model 19 Classic and Model 66 Classic.

Please read the full comment. The way that was "solved" was by deleting the gas ring on the revolver. The K frame Magnum has a long history of gas ring related issues, and this opens a new can of worms. One thing was traded for another.


Jamming-Binding-Locking up new model

As I prevously posted, the K frame Magnum has zero advantages over an L frame with the same barrel profile. There is less than one ounce of weight difference between two comparable revolvers. Design apsects aside, the K Magnum makes no sense from a size efficiency standpoint. It is emotional attachment that hinders people from seeing this. The 619, 620, and 686 Mountain Gun would all be better options than the new K Magnums.
 
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A couple months back I shot my 4" 1980 Python a few rounds at the range then tried my 4" nickel 19-4. I forgot about the Colt and just had a blast with the 19. I think it's as close to a perfect all around handgun as you can get. And the gun is perfect for all shapes and sizes of shooter's hands.
 
In hindsight, I should add futher context to my previous posts.

The best condensed version of the gas ring's function (that I have read) is in The L frame Story article by Mike Wood over at the Revolver Guy blog. "The gas ring's purpose is to prevent carbon and lead from building up between the axle ("arbor") and the cylinder itself, which would impede the rotation of the cylinder." One of the seemingly forgotten flaws of the original K frame Magnums is related to this. The extreme heat, and recoil, generated from firing Magnum rounds caused the gas ring to move foward and impede cylinder rotation. Massad Ayoob stated in the Sept./Oct. 1980 issue of American Handgunner "The Combat Magnum is theoretically ideal for use in law enforcement. The only problem is that, especially in the stainless version, it is not unknown for the gas ring to move foward and bind the gun due to buffering from magnum recoil." Smith and Wesson were well aware of this and made a brief change that lasted from 1972 to 1977.

To try and mitigate this problem S&W moved the gas ring from the cylinder to the yoke on all K frames. This was VERY controversial, especially amongst police officers and competition shooters (obviously some overlap there). The yoke mounted gas ring did not seem to work as well as the cylinder mounted ones, and K frames of this era were well known to be very susceptible to sluggish cylinder rotation. It did not take nearly as many rounds down range to notice a difference. More material was also removed from the forcing cone, which made that well known problem even worse. Smith and Wesson went back to a cylinder mounted gas ring in 1977. Taking a look at a 67 no dash and a 67-1 will show the difference.

Fast foward to today. The new 19-9 and 66-8 revolvers have no gas rings at all. This was done to allow for a full sized forcing cone. One flaw was traded for another. I am sure that there are folks that have fired a million dirty handloads through their example without issue, but this will make them more prone to sluggish cylinder rotation than just about any S&W revolver ever produced. The Model 69 also has no gas ring. It makes no sense on that model, as S&W could have just went with a slightly shorter cylinder (like Taurus did on their mid size .44 Magnums). This is one of the things that make the new K frame Magnums a big no-go for me. Obviously, something like this would have never been tried during the revolver era in law enforcement. Honestly, I would rather have a clearanced forcing cone than a deleted gas ring.

The funny thing is that all of this can be avoided with a half lug L frame. The full lug barrel on most L frames make people think that they are bigger than they really are. Once again, there is less than one ounce of weight difference between a K frame Magnum, and a half lug L frame with the same barrel profile. The 620 and the 66-8 both have half lug, two-piece bull barrels. One weighs 37 ounces and the other weighs 36.9 ounces. A six shot 686 Mountain gun weighs 35.5 ounces, and the seven round version weighs even less. The L frames can also be had with a seven round cylinder that has offset cylinder notches. Even when you put the warts of the K Magnums aside, the half lug L frames still make far more sense.

Here are some good links and the aforementioned article

The Smith & Wesson L-Frame Story - RevolverGuy.Com

Jamming-Binding-Locking up new model

https://www.gunblast.com/SW619-620.htm

https://www.gunblast.com/SW-357MtnGun.htm

Gas ring yoke vs cylinder
 
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One of my dream guns is a 10-14 Classic.

I want a brand new version of the gun my old man carried so many, many years ago.
 

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