Sadly around CLT NC there were fields to shoot clays...Now all built up... I find myself shooting a Pistol more because indoor ranges are about the only option if your not a club member...which I am not. My M37 and 870 combat SG's are fired with buck indoors 25 yds yearly for function ck and to loosen any fillings in my teeth.... and Blue Hematoma's on the right arm match my Suite tie.
What Happened to the Love for the Shotgun?
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Shotguns seem to have been discovered by the black gun crowd. They were never lost. Most that did a lot of small game hunting had short barrel gun for rabbits and birds in heavy brush. The rande is limited with them. We also had to use slugs to deer hunt. At 100' around these parts you would have to put a slug into 1.5" bulls eye just to be a contender to take home a turkey. At 100yds it would be 3". This was with smooth bore guns with iron sights. Nary a flite of shooters got by without the judges having to break out dividers and scale to call the winner. Shotguns were never forgotten they have just been discovered by guys that never had use for one before. Movies make sawed of shotguns popular. I've had nice run of the mill shotguns at shows, $150 pump variety with 30" FC barrels and they don't draw a glance. I can take same gun and cut the barrel 18" and up the price and it will sell quickly. I used to clean these guns up, finish stocks and touch up blue. Now I whack them off to 18" and paint them black, premium models get camo job.
ParadiseRoad
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...4 pumps and two doubles...can't convince myself to get rid of any of them...
...in fact...I want more...
...in fact...I want more...
bigwheelzip
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Didn't buy my shotgun for defense, but instead for busting clays at the local DNR shotgun range. Most of my guests get the opportunity for trigger time, and really enjoy shooting my Mossberg 500 12ga.
My cousin was very proud of herself at this shoot, the first of her life. She even proudly showed off her bruised shoulder to her sister in Florida a couple of days later.
My cousin was very proud of herself at this shoot, the first of her life. She even proudly showed off her bruised shoulder to her sister in Florida a couple of days later.
The market is saturated with the short barrel/self defense shotguns.
Because:
1. Every gun manufacturer is marketing them. And the Shockwave and Rem TAC14.
2. LE tradeins.
And nobody needs more than one.
Regular shotguns: More states are allowing the use of rifles for deer hunting. (Mine included)
The diehard waterfowl hunters are dying off.
Because:
1. Every gun manufacturer is marketing them. And the Shockwave and Rem TAC14.
2. LE tradeins.
And nobody needs more than one.
Regular shotguns: More states are allowing the use of rifles for deer hunting. (Mine included)
The diehard waterfowl hunters are dying off.
My late husband was still doing that when he was 65, below zero, wind blowing, hunkered down with his dog in a field. His first love was hunting the big Canadian Geese when they blew thru here on their way south.
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For home SD, they're fine, I guess. With slugs and a sight, they're pretty accurate. I don't like shotguns for a patrol weapon, though. They're limited in range with bucshot, and most agencies won't allow slugs...to apt to bounce.
Try this: at 25 yards, place a target just with head down to the shoulders are showing. Fire at it, and count the holes. There won't be many, if at all. The dispersion rate on an ordinary 00 is very great at that range. One hit will do the job, but you can't depend on a head shot with a shotgun. I would not look forward to going to a gunfight with a shotgun against a BG with a rifle.
Also, they take up a lot of training time because for those who seldom shoot a pump gun, they're not instinctive. I have heard that NYPD, in shotgun situations, issues old cheap doubles. Safety off, point and shoot.
I've got a S&W pump police trade in; got it for about $200, with rifle sights. I've shot it once to see if anything was broken.
For a short range weapon, they're good, but I feel there are better weapons in most situations for cops.
Try this: at 25 yards, place a target just with head down to the shoulders are showing. Fire at it, and count the holes. There won't be many, if at all. The dispersion rate on an ordinary 00 is very great at that range. One hit will do the job, but you can't depend on a head shot with a shotgun. I would not look forward to going to a gunfight with a shotgun against a BG with a rifle.
Also, they take up a lot of training time because for those who seldom shoot a pump gun, they're not instinctive. I have heard that NYPD, in shotgun situations, issues old cheap doubles. Safety off, point and shoot.
I've got a S&W pump police trade in; got it for about $200, with rifle sights. I've shot it once to see if anything was broken.
For a short range weapon, they're good, but I feel there are better weapons in most situations for cops.
I think Shotguns make a great vehicle utility tool (granted you can keep it secured).
Pump shotguns during travel are legal in most States (as long as it's unloaded in the vehicle).
You can make it shorter as needed with a folding or collapsing stock. Or by taking the barrel off. This makes it easy to transport into a motel room if needed.
You can hunt or use it for SD. Carry slug, buck, & bird shot with it in your vehicle. If your stranded & need to survive, it should make a great hunting tool.
It is mostly a "close range" weapon, but it's hard to justify a 100 yard self-defense shot for the average citizen.
It's also great for hiking in Bear Country loaded with slugs.
And it has a less lethal option for wild dogs or any other angry critter.
Caught in a City during Civil unrest or major disturbance, I'd be glad to have a Shotgun in my vehicle.
And they look "less scary" to the general public compared to an AR or AK.
They also fit nicely into a fold-up chair bag for descreet carry.
And now that the Tac-14 types are available, they make them even more handy and convenient.
It's also good to pattern your shotgun with whatever ammo you are going to carry. And know the POA/POI with your slugs.
Pump shotguns during travel are legal in most States (as long as it's unloaded in the vehicle).
You can make it shorter as needed with a folding or collapsing stock. Or by taking the barrel off. This makes it easy to transport into a motel room if needed.
You can hunt or use it for SD. Carry slug, buck, & bird shot with it in your vehicle. If your stranded & need to survive, it should make a great hunting tool.
It is mostly a "close range" weapon, but it's hard to justify a 100 yard self-defense shot for the average citizen.
It's also great for hiking in Bear Country loaded with slugs.
And it has a less lethal option for wild dogs or any other angry critter.
Caught in a City during Civil unrest or major disturbance, I'd be glad to have a Shotgun in my vehicle.
And they look "less scary" to the general public compared to an AR or AK.
They also fit nicely into a fold-up chair bag for descreet carry.
And now that the Tac-14 types are available, they make them even more handy and convenient.
It's also good to pattern your shotgun with whatever ammo you are going to carry. And know the POA/POI with your slugs.
Erich
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Man, hard to beat a pump gun for versatility and price point. I recently gave away the Mossberg 12-bore that I've had since the mid-Eighties (a friend with a family needed a shotgun for the variety of reasons one needs one) but I've kept the little 20-ga. Weatherby that was such a great deal from CDNN a couple years ago (still is!). (I removed the thick - and utterly unnecessary - factory recoil pad that made the LOP too much for my wife and replaced it with a thin neoprene sleeve that works plenty well for the mild recoil.)
My small-framed/short wife does not care for a 12, so the twenty (which is still hell on wheels for short range oomph with proper loads) is what lives around here (along with sundry handguns and rifles, of course) for whatever requires a scattergun.
My small-framed/short wife does not care for a 12, so the twenty (which is still hell on wheels for short range oomph with proper loads) is what lives around here (along with sundry handguns and rifles, of course) for whatever requires a scattergun.
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Gene L
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I shot a Tac-like 12 gauge. It kicked like hell, and recovery time made it a practical one-shot weapon. I can't think of a single reason for less-than-lethal force used on wild dogs.
It's a good choice for a civilian, but since this OP mentioned the glut of guns because of police trade-ins, I had cops in mind in my above post. Not a 21st century essential cop gun.
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I still have two left. Still love them and in the right situation I would use them. Same with my high power rifles.
Right shoulder was a savage. Left should was a major repair. Along with other tears in the rotator cuff I ripped the supraspinatus off both shoulders two years apart. Yep, and both bicep tendons.
I baby my shoulders.
Right shoulder was a savage. Left should was a major repair. Along with other tears in the rotator cuff I ripped the supraspinatus off both shoulders two years apart. Yep, and both bicep tendons.
I baby my shoulders.
smoothshooter
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A lot of departments have replaced their shotguns with rifles for various reasons
smoothshooter
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How in the heck did you manage to get those kinds of injuries?
gman51
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First off hardly anyone wears trench coats now. Second I think the comments here have shown that shotguns like revolvers are not just history. Lastly it depends where you are looking as to what you will or will not see.
Shotguns are probably one of the best bangs for bucks there is available in guns and defense arms. If they weren't selling then their wouldn't be so many seen anywhere guns are sold.
Shotguns are probably one of the best bangs for bucks there is available in guns and defense arms. If they weren't selling then their wouldn't be so many seen anywhere guns are sold.
Model39
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Different Direction For (Firearms) Shooting Shotshells
There is a new direction for firearms that shoot shotshells. This type of firearm (Based on a Remington 1100) has become very popular in my area, and makes a great home protection weapon.
There is a new direction for firearms that shoot shotshells. This type of firearm (Based on a Remington 1100) has become very popular in my area, and makes a great home protection weapon.
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There is a new direction for firearms that shoot shotshells. This type of firearm (Based on a Remington 1100) has become very popular in my area, and makes a great home protection weapon.
These look cool until you try to use them, then they end up being sold for cheap. OK for a range toy, I suppose; but my life is too important to stake on one of those. The serious shooters use real guns.
I'd take my 686 over one of these, even against multiple home invaders. It might keep me alive. With the shockwave type of shotgun, you'll stand a good chance of being outgunned, outshot, and killed.
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One reason hunters may not own a lot of shotguns is because they will usually be a better shot if they just use one. I have a SxS 20 gauge I use on dove, quail, pheasants, prairie chickens, and flushing turkeys and have a 12 gauge 1187 auto for ducks, geese, or standing turkeys. When birds flush quickly you have two or three seconds to get in position, mount your gun, deactivate the safety, judge the lead, start your swing, get the proper sight picture, and fire. Switching shotguns with different stocks, handling, balance, and safety's will not help bring down the birds.
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