You might as well go unarmed
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You might as well go unarmed
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If I was the guy with the gun, I would start working on getting a new office partner - specifically one that is not a nosey snowflake.
I love that answer!!!!!!!
I might add that I'd tell my co-worker to be more careful.
Company policy wouldn't cause me to bat an eyelash.
I wouldn't even say anything solid to the co-worker. I would maintain complete deniability. I would not worry anymore about him being a work place shooter any more than I would worry about some other person doing the same thing and having no ability to stop it. Ya, guys go nuts at work, the odds of him doing that are almost exactly the same as the odds of his replacement doing it if you turned this guy in.
You can "what if" the long odds all you want. As the old man used to say, "What if a frog had wings? Then he wouldn't bump his butt when he hopped!"
You can "what if" the long odds all you want. As the old man used to say, "What if a frog had wings? Then he wouldn't bump his butt when he hopped!"
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If you are taking an employer's money to work on his/her property, you follow the rules. If you don't, you're wrong.
Many years ago I worked with a guy who did everything he could to avoid work and to disobey rules without getting caught. Once he had been discharged for (of course) rule violations and lack of productivity, my crusty old sergeant said, "if you're stealing shirts, stealing burritos, or stealing time, you're a thief."
Loyalty means honoring your employer's rules even if you don't agree with them. Don't like it? Get another employer.
Many years ago I worked with a guy who did everything he could to avoid work and to disobey rules without getting caught. Once he had been discharged for (of course) rule violations and lack of productivity, my crusty old sergeant said, "if you're stealing shirts, stealing burritos, or stealing time, you're a thief."
Loyalty means honoring your employer's rules even if you don't agree with them. Don't like it? Get another employer.
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Today, an Alabama factory employee presented a handgun at work, killed two, and injured two.
Alabama workplace shooting: Two employees killed, two injured at Mueller Co. in Albertville
Hopefully, nobody had earlier winked at him, closed his locker for him, or just did nothing. Sadly, as we have found in multiple previous workplace shootings, such things likely did occur . . .
Alabama workplace shooting: Two employees killed, two injured at Mueller Co. in Albertville
Hopefully, nobody had earlier winked at him, closed his locker for him, or just did nothing. Sadly, as we have found in multiple previous workplace shootings, such things likely did occur . . .
O. C. 'Chick' Fero occasionally carried a handgun at work (against the rules) as principal of Twin Lakes Elementary. When given a bad performance evaluation by Superintendent Paul Hansen, Fero shot him to death in the admin office.
Fero didn't like rules.
Fero didn't like rules.
That's why I went where I did with my initial response . . .
Almost 50 years ago I had a part time gig cleaning a bank after closing. One night some small bills were left on a dirty carpet that I needed to clean. I went and got the manager, pointing out the money. He collected it up, didn't say anything. Found out "loyalty tests" were a regular thing. Joe
I had a friend that found several loaded magazines in his workplace. He and a couple other guys found them hidden and were 99% sure who put them there. They always considered the guy a bit weird but harmless, so they didn't say anything. About a year later the guy shot and killed a couple guys for riding ATV's on his property. He's now serving a life sentence. The shooter was the type who talked about hiding weapons and ammo in various locations so that the government couldn't find them if they started taking firearms. We've often wondered if the workplace was just one of his hiding spots or he was preparing himself for some sort of workplace shooting. I'm not saying I'd rat out my coworker, but it does give you something to think about.
Remembering that I'm security and I have access to and go places that almost (and in a few cases) no other employees ever go do I worry about the gun he left in the office while he's on rounds or
The one he left in a desk drawer in the middle of an abandoned cube farm because all the employees have been working from home since Covid started?
The one he left in the file cabinet in the old guard shack that one one has been working out of for three years?
The one he left in the desk in the abandoned fire watch station on the southwest corner of the power plant literally Miles from where anyone else at the facility ever goes to?
Or should I worry about the Shockwave another employee has in the backseat of his car (We don't do vehicle searches under ANY circumstances)?
Or do I worry about the the city employees that the mayor has granted permission to carry a concealed handgun on the clock?
Or do I worry about the hundred or so cylinders of poisonous industrial gases stored in a bunker under the clean room?
So where do we begin?
You could start with following the policy.
I think you begin with worrying about all of them. You go on and on about security post rules from the employer that must be followed to the letter or immediate termination is the result in most of your forum posts. If you are aware of violations, which you clearly are, you report them. Otherwise, you're not doing your job. Thankfully, you haven't had an incident yet that resulted in somebody saying "Well, Smoke knew . . . "
Peace out. Any reply will be duly noted . . .
Peace out. Any reply will be duly noted . . .
In Colorado Springs there's never been a rule prohibiting citizens from carrying a concealed weapon in city buildings. Prior to 2003 there was no rule prohibiting open carry in city buildings (both with the exception of police facilities).
In 2013 Mayor Steve Bach changed the city's personnel policy manual to permit city employees with a concealed handgun permit to carry at work.
Colorado Springs Utilities has always been a separate entity and they LOST THEIR MINDS. They immediately reiterated their policy that CSU employees weren't permitted to carry at work. They required my employer to have us come in on our day off for four hours of "Antiterrorism Training" which was essentially "Utility employees can't carry on the clock." (Which we already knew) They could have a gun in their car (which we also knew) but it had to stay in the car. Utilities customers are permitted to carry in Utility's facilities but not employees.
There is one facility that had both City and Utilities employees working together. Half could carry half couldn't and even if a city employee was allowed to carry a gun if security saw it we were supposed to direct them to take it off and put it in their car.
I ran into a city employee who was getting gas for his paving truck to go work up on The Pikes Peak Highway one morning. He was climbing around on the back of his truck and his shirt came up and I saw his gun.
Remember this guy was completely in compliance with his employer's (the City) policy. He was on a joint City/Utilities facility and his car was at his home facility on the other side of town and they wanted me to tell this guy to put his gun in his car. I checked his permit, asked him to fix his shirt and told him to have a nice day.
The horror.
In 2013 Mayor Steve Bach changed the city's personnel policy manual to permit city employees with a concealed handgun permit to carry at work.
Colorado Springs Utilities has always been a separate entity and they LOST THEIR MINDS. They immediately reiterated their policy that CSU employees weren't permitted to carry at work. They required my employer to have us come in on our day off for four hours of "Antiterrorism Training" which was essentially "Utility employees can't carry on the clock." (Which we already knew) They could have a gun in their car (which we also knew) but it had to stay in the car. Utilities customers are permitted to carry in Utility's facilities but not employees.
There is one facility that had both City and Utilities employees working together. Half could carry half couldn't and even if a city employee was allowed to carry a gun if security saw it we were supposed to direct them to take it off and put it in their car.
I ran into a city employee who was getting gas for his paving truck to go work up on The Pikes Peak Highway one morning. He was climbing around on the back of his truck and his shirt came up and I saw his gun.
Remember this guy was completely in compliance with his employer's (the City) policy. He was on a joint City/Utilities facility and his car was at his home facility on the other side of town and they wanted me to tell this guy to put his gun in his car. I checked his permit, asked him to fix his shirt and told him to have a nice day.
The horror.
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If you have integrity, nothing else matters.
If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.
Former Senator Alan K. Simpson
If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.
Former Senator Alan K. Simpson
Following the rules is easy until you work where they have conflicting rules and leave it up to local managers to interpret. I made a lot of bosses angry over the years by doing exactly as they told me with in policies. When they went outside I asked for written confirmation or later on email to confirm what they wanted me to do.
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If there's only two of them and the other becomes a workplace shooter, then the OP takes his secret to the grave.
But if he becomes the workplace shooter after being called in to discuss his performance, it's possible that others will also need a grave. I'm sorry, but I can't internalize, in the world of workplace shooters, somebody who is too arrogant, scared, friendly, ignorant, "oh, he's okay." or just plain stupid that won't report an improper gun in the workplace. If that person gets shot, he deserves it. If others get shot, that person has written a check he can't cover . . .
So you didn't follow the policy/post orders . . .
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