What is the attraction to a N Frame 10mm?

[hangnoose]

MDL 610

the N frame is gonna fit good or bad regardless of the caliber. I had the opportunity to fire a 610 at the range recently and although too big for my hands, it was a great fit for the 75 y/o 6'5"+ old gent that owned it. in a few minutes I was shooting much better groups with it than my own L frame 681 357. this old gent, and 90 % of other range shooters don't need magnum energy or recoil. the 610 was accurate, mild mannered and easy to shoot well. what's not to like, other than the price tag.

 

[growr]

For some USPSA/IDPA shooters the 610 with a 4" barrel loaded with .40 S&W in moonclips will make major and still be VERY controlable on target but will reload quickly as well.

Not only is it accurate, but a hoot to shoot in this configuration and .40 brass is normally very abundant.

Randy

 

[10mmauto]

What is the attraction to an N frame 10mm?

That there was a question never actually occurred to me.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Sidebar:

Y'all made me laugh. I was thinking, why would you pay 100 grand for a car that only goes 140 miles before needing to be recharged electrically again?

That's a Tesla - fancy new luxury car that you plug in.

People like them and buy them.

Same for N frames, I reckon.....

***GRJ***

 

[L Pete]

Ditto me with Shawn McCarver

If Smith would go back to making quality K-frame 38s, I'd buy one or two a year until I've bought every version of every model. I have a newer Model 67-6 that is OK, but it's not as "OK" as my 1952 Pre-15. And,...to go back even farther, my 1933 38/44 Outdoorsman, is scarey accurate and even better quality to my eye. Just saying that newer features on a revolver do not necessarily make a better product.

 

[BobR1]

Lets find a place to start.

First off a 357 Magnum with Full House Loads is way to loud to fire without hearing protection. Same for the 41 and 44 Magnums with Full Power ammo. I can tolerate Full Power 10mm without hearing protection if needed.

I carried my 610-No Dash for 15 years as a Deputy Sheriff and 2 years as a Police Chief. I have a Basket Weave Quad Moon Clip Carrier for my duty belt that hold 2 Up and 2 Down. In the Winter I carried a couple more moon clips in each front Flap Pocket on my Coat. I never felt under armed. I carried the 610 in a Tex Shoemaker Semi Break Front Security Holster. In 1993 this was the most secure Duty Holster made that you could make a reasonably fast draw from.

My 610 is more accurate than any semi auto duty weapon that I have ever fired.

The Full Power 10mm is rated the same as a Full House 357 Magnum in stopping power, 95%. The 10mm does this without breaking your ear drums.

Next the rimless 10mm, and 40 S&W cartridges load in a 610 with Full Moon Clips. No 357 Magnum, 41 Magnum, or 44 Magnum will reload quicker with available speed loaders. I do shoot a 686 reloaded with Comp III speed loaders in matches every month. The 610 with moon clips loads faster.
Next you cannot get a shell case under the extractor star using moon clips.

You have the most positive extraction you can get with a revolver using moon clips.

The Full Power 10mm would be at the very top of the list in personal defense stopping power. NOTE: Most 10mm ammunition loaded today is not full power. However Full Power ammunition can still be found with a little research.

The Board of Directors of IDPA with a rule change sealed the fate of the 646 L Frame 40 S&W, which should have been a very popular, best selling revolver. A steel cylinder 3" or 4" 646 L Frame should be as good as it gets for a personal defense revolver.

I also own a 310 Night Guard. The 310 gets carried mostly in the Winter. Not because of size, but because I carry shot shells for my 2" Model 15, 315, and 3" 66-2 in Snake Season in the Ozarks.

I am a 10mm/40 S&W fan in revolvers.

Bob

 

[Ceapea]

The excellent N-Frame is the perfect home for the 10mm. It's the only size frame for fitting 6 shots with a cartridge of 10mm diameter. The .357 Magnum, if used to its full potential rather than todays "-P" loadings, is best housed in the N-Frame in my view and it's the L-Frame that I see as unappealing and clumsy (mostly because of the full-lugged barrel).

While I agree that the N Frames are a great platform, I can't find fault with this at all...

 

[08Cayenne]

Shoot a couple of boxes of Buffalo Bore 180 gr, that's why. The 10mm is a great round out of any handgun.Of course Garrett .44 magnum 310 gr superhardcast hammerheads at 1350 fps puts the 10 to shame. There 45-70 is awesome and painful also.

 

[DesertFox]

No 10mm collection is complete without at least 1 610. They shoot very well and are quick back on target due to the heft of the N frame. Takes out bowling pins with authority. Easily take out most game with good shot placement. They have gotten quite spendy. Maybe not right for everyone but works for Bob, me and all the other 10mm nuts around here!

That being said, it appears that all my other S&W N frames are .44 Magnum...

 

[M E Morrison]

What I do not get is the folks paying huge money to have the opportunity to own a N frame revolver chambered in one of the weakest calibers it can be had in. It just seems odd.

I think the .357 N frame is just about as odd a choice for actual carry and field use in current times. The K frame is too small, the N frame is too big and the L frame is just right for .357. I also suspect the L frame is just about right for a 10mm too.

This is why if one is buying an N frame, it just seems to make sense to buy one with the most horsepower that can be wedged into the frame. Why do they even bother making anything less than .44 Magnum or .45 in a N frame revolver? I think even a .41 magnum would fit in a modernized L frame.

All that reasoning aside, why do guys clamber to buy a mid-sized 10mm cartridge wedged into a full-size gun? What's the motivation? I cannot see what a 10mm does that a .44 cannot.

I know folks just like some things. Heck, even I like the 10mm in a 15 round Glock. If that is the motivation, that is fair enough.

UMMM, just be "different" would be my guess.

 

[ptgarcia]

I didn't see it posted above but if I shot a 10mm autoloader I'd want a 610 to go with it. I'm looking for a 625 now to go with my 1911 in .45 ACP, just like I'm looking for a Marlin 1894C (lever action rifle chambered in .38/.357 for those unfamiliar) to go with my Model 627. I like having multiple styles of firearms chambered in the same caliber.

 

[Budnjax]

I've been thinking about building an N frame in .22 LR! I saw one, once, that someone had converted to 25ACP.....why do people want these weird combos? Because they can!

 

[Nframecollector]

I dunno? You tell me.

 

[MikeWinVA]

I would love an N frame in 357, just not in the budget, yet...

I would like it for the ability to hold 8 rounds, versus 6. I find follow up shots are more accurate and faster for me due to quicker sight picture recovery with a 357. Since I live well east of the Mississippi, there are no critters/predators I feel the need for a .44.

And as heavy a frame as the N is, I would not worry about a diet of hot loads in 357 loosening it up, i.e. end shake, or timing issues. Where on my 686, I have had to fix the end shake every couple of years.

 

[sac-gunslinger]

Y'know, "just because I want it" is all the reason necessary. N'don't let anyone pressure you into answering "why" questions, that just gives them the opporutnity to try to brow-beat you into seeing the world their way.

I do not own a 10mm revolver, and I do not plan to. But I would love to see one, to handle one, even to see it fired at the range. Would be interesting. So, go ahead, buy one and enjoy. Tell us here on the forum how much fun it is, or how hard it kicks, or how lousy the accuracy is. Your enjoyment is all that counts.

 

[sac-gunslinger]

just like I'm looking for a Marlin 1894C (lever action rifle chambered in .38/.357 for those unfamiliar) to go with my Model 627.

PT, the 1894C is my all-time favorite go-to gun. I have one with some judicious additions to it (the Trigger-Happy trigger is the best). Have owned several over the years. It is the last gun I would ever get rid of.

158 grain 357 soft points come of of the tube at about 1800 FPS, 125 grain Buffalo Bore stout loads achieve better than 1200 FPS. Don't even try to tell me that is not adequate performance.

 

[graydog]

I have every N frame in every caliber that I can find and afford. I have big hands and just like shooting them better then the K&L frames. That doesn't mean that I don't have K&L frames because I do and I also like them as well. I just like the N frames a little more.

Graydog

 

[sac-gunslinger]

I've been thinking about building an N frame in .22 LR!

A 25 shot revolver?

 

[kscardsfan]

If people choose not to try stupid things with the 10mm, that really shouldn't be held as an indictment of the round.

Regardless of how skilled EK was, taking on all North American game with a .357 is a stunt of epic proportions. Stunts really don't have much of a place in the game woods, and hopefully hunters / shooters today don't feel the need to try to validate a cartridge with the same types of stunts.

As an instructor in my LEO days told us: "Your pistol is your uh-oh gun, if you're getting into a fight bring a long gun." Always seemed like pretty good advice in the field as well

 

[errolhill]

Its an endless debate some people like n frame revolvers ,I guide big game with hounds primarily bear and carry a .41 mag i have a few barrel lengths ,I shoot 240 grain jsp i dont agree it would shoot very good in a smaller frame. I have a 651,and 63 but the 617 and 648 are alot nicer to shoot,I'm sure its preference .I've carried a 41.mag for 30 years and prefer it well over a 44.mag for stopping power but once again its preference