What Shield Modifications are U doing?

[millisec]

Hey to each his own (it is supposedly still a free country) but I'm going to say this IMO. The shield is a easily concealable carry gun and it has no role in any competition (maybe the rare BUG side match) or really much serious target shooting for that matter. If you do anything to that gun other than sights, grips, maybe a little trigger smoothing or general cosmetics you are asking for trouble if you ever have to shoot someone with it. I'm not so sure even the so called duty/carry APEX kit has any place in a carry gun. No different than its a bad idea to use any ammo for SD that is hand loaded or non mainstream commercial. The guy planning on using APEX to circumvent MA law (no matter how archaic) is just asking to get the shaft. Every other issue aside that could be a firearms violation with a mandatory min if it was ever discovered in an investigation.

Trust me I'm the first to spend too much money tricking some of my guns but not the one(s) for carry. Just too much great stuff these days, that does not belong on a carry gun, that really came about because of the demand for competition parts. I really don't think there would even be an Apex or much of the cottage industry if not for IDPA, USPSA, 3 gun etc. With all the local/state/federal laws we all walk a fine line exercising our 2nd amendment rights. I just prefer to not end up in jail or sued into oblivion.

 

[les_garten]

Hey to each his own (it is supposedly still a free country) but I'm going to say this IMO. The shield is a easily concealable carry gun and it has no role in any competition (maybe the rare BUG side match) or really much serious target shooting for that matter. If you do anything to that gun other than sights, grips, maybe a little trigger smoothing or general cosmetics you are asking for trouble if you ever have to shoot someone with it. I'm not so sure even the so called duty/carry APEX kit has any place in a carry gun. No different than its a bad idea to use any ammo for SD that is hand loaded or non mainstream commercial. The guy planning on using APEX to circumvent MA law (no matter how archaic) is just asking to get the shaft. Every other issue aside that could be a firearms violation with a mandatory min if it was ever discovered in an investigation.

Trust me I'm the first to spend too much money tricking some of my guns but not the one(s) for carry. Just too much great stuff these days, that does not belong on a carry gun, that really came about because of the demand for competition parts. I really don't think there would even be an Apex or much of the cottage industry if not for IDPA, USPSA, 3 gun etc. With all the local/state/federal laws we all walk a fine line exercising our 2nd amendment rights. I just prefer to not end up in jail or sued into oblivion.

Is there evidence out there where someone was convicted because they had a trigger job done? And that they would have been acquitted had the trigger been stock?

Do you have a reference?

 

[millisec]

Is there evidence out there where someone was convicted because they had a trigger job done? And that they would have been acquitted had the trigger been stock?

Do you have a reference?

Don't need a reference. As stated it was an opinion. As to your first two questions I never said anyone had. The point is whether its reloaded ammo or a fundamentally modified gun you are needlessly exposing yourself to product liability and to potential evidence that could sway a juries opinion. If you shoot someone your gun will be analyzed in a lab and the trigger pull will be measured. If I have to shoot someone and go to criminal and/or civil court I want the evidence in my favor. For my carry gun I will let any product liability remain in the hands of S&W and Winchester.

 

[shawn mccarver]

I have a new Shield and am looking to improve the Shield trigger with Apex etc. What did you do and why that modification? Also getting Talon for it.

Tom

Nothing. I test it and if it works, I leave it stock. If it has a problem, I send to S&W for repair, and then I leave it stock. It is a self-defense weapon and should not be modified.

 

[BennyS]

Nothing. I test it and if it works, I leave it stock. If it has a problem, I send to S&W for repair, and then I leave it stock. It is a self-defense weapon and should not be modified.

True it's a great gun but it is my carry weapon and I want it as fine tuned as possible. New sights and an apex kit will not make it any less a self defense weapon

 

[Haverly38]

Put ameriglo sights on mine. Getting ready to paint the slide, my dad done his shield and it looks killer. Plotting a trigger kit next.

 

[Enzo]

I have a new Shield and am looking to improve the Shield trigger with Apex etc. What did you do and why that modification? Also getting Talon for it.

Tom

Since I'm in Massachusetts we get the 10lb trigger so instead of the Apex kit I had a local gunsmith do a carry trigger job. Then Ameriglo night sights, three dot with orange front.

 

[Enzo]

The guy planning on using APEX to circumvent MA law (no matter how archaic) is just asking to get the shaft. Every other issue aside that could be a firearms violation with a mandatory min if it was ever discovered in an investigation.

Massachusetts law applies to manufacturers and FFL's. A legally licensed gun owner can make any modification they want.
No matter what, if you use your firearm and cause harm, even if justified, you're going to be sued whether your gun is stock or your ammunition is white box.

 

[RussC]

I have the rubber Talon Grips on my Shield. Really like them. I am going to have XS Big Dot sights put on. Just hoping the front sight doesn't have an issue with my Crossbreed holster. I also have done an unsanctioned mod to my Shield. I made a plug just to put myself more at ease so the safety wouldn't become engaged by accident. I have put a 100 rounds through it with no issues. Works great.

Sole

Cleaver plugging the safety. My only concern would be the plug coming lose and interfering with the slide.

Why not use super glue ?

Russ

 

[millisec]

Massachusetts law applies to manufacturers and FFL's. A legally licensed gun owner can make any modification they want.
No matter what, if you use your firearm and cause harm, even if justified, you're going to be sued whether your gun is stock or your ammunition is white box.

Except fortunately for places like Florida... If the shooting was justified under stand your ground your immune to civil suits. Ask Treyvon's folks who won't be getting a dime from Georgie. Granted he used a stock gun and factory SD ammo but even things like wrongful death are out the window. I believe it was threatened but Z's lawyer nipped it in the bud by formally getting the immunity after his acquittal. That gun was examined/tested by FDLE and had it been modified or had he been shooting "taxi driver" specials it would have at least been thrown in his and the juries face by the prosecutors.

Even though OJ was found innocent of murder he was sued into ruin in civil court. Even though I think OJ was guilty as sin that concept has always been wrong to me especially since civil court has much lower standards. If you can't win in criminal take it to civil. IMO it amounts to double jeopardy and is just wrong...

I think that's why so many want to really overturn laws related to castle doctrine and stand your ground. So even if your innocent and justified in your actions they can ruin you for life financially. Criminals don't like laws that protect victims.

 

[BigCityChief]

I would like to put night sights on both my 9MM and .40 Shields but no gun shop in my area will touch them. They're afraid of cracking the slide while trying to remove the rear sights. Anyone else hearing anything like this?

 

[RobzGuns]

Cracking the Slide???
That's a first.

 

[HeavyDuty Ken]

Mine was tough, but I decided to sacrifice the rear since I was replacing it anyway. Once I did that it took about ten minutes to cut most of the way down through the sight with a hacksaw, about 75% was enough to relieve pressure to allow the sight to be drifted out.