What to do with collection when I'm gone

This is a very difficult decision to make. In my case I have 2 sons and the youngest has quite a few guns and bought a gun safe and the oldest son is so involved in work his interest in guns is not really there. My view on this matter is that I should go ahead and sell what I want to sell and give them what I want to give them while I am still walking this good earth. I haven't done this yet because I am still buying a few and adding to the problem. I know what I should do but it is kind of hard to point my mind in that direction.
 
The easiest thing for the heirs is to have you liquidate the collection for them as they are not likely to understand your collection as you do. Failing that, I would be very precise (serial number) in your will in indicating exactly who gets exactly what gun or accessory in order to avoid arguments. Way too often I have seen very sad family arguments and will challenges that decedents never imagined possible and/or would not allow me to anticipate on their wills erupting after their death. Once you're dead, no one will care about how you feel about how your stuff is doled out.
 
I'll be in the same boat as the OP. I plan on "gifting" many of the guns to friends that have gone shooting with me and showed a respect/admiration of the guns. A couple of them are younger police officers that I know will appreciate owning/shooting an "older" revolver while still carrying their polymer guns.

My wife inherited some family heirlooms that will go to our son and he can do what he pleases with them. I plan on being in charge of the disposition of the rest.
 
Sell them to your friend if your wife does not want or cannot take care of them. Or you can give them to me where they will abide in a good Christian home.
 
My wife has been instructed to give what to who and I have a trusted friend who will help with the disposal of the rest ! ;)
 
Some choices...

1) sell them off slowly and build your own estate. That way your family will benefit.

2) Put them in your estate and let the family split them and sell them off. (I'd be afraid they would have them destroyed) Personally, I don't like that option for anti-gunners.

3) Leave them to someone who would appreciate them. If your family isn't in the appreciating category, I'd keep 'em out of their hands. Your collecting friend sounds like a good option.

4) Donate to a museum and say to hell with everybody.:D
 
This is a huge subject and full of problems. The absolute worst thing is to do nothing. I've watched a few situations where the gun guy did just that and it often turns out to be a burden.
Yes, and as someone else pointed out above, it is often a burden to the widow/family AND to the trusted guy who is asked to help. I've helped two people liquidate collections, and it is not a small task, even for a smaller (20 guns or so) collections. Coming up with a fair value, explaining to the heir the difference between a buy price and a sell price, finding buyers or other ways to dispose of them, etc. I've printed off recent completed auctions on gunbroker.com as one way to show them what similar / equivalent guns are selling for, and that often helps, but it is more work. The one widow I helped was great, and after I gave her the value of each gun in the collection and helped her sell a few (and got pretty much what they were worth), she offered me a gun for free for my services. I ended up suggesting that I just take it at a discount, but it was a nice gesture, and a fair one on her part, I think.

I view things differently from my wife. Her solution was to just let our sons, who are into guns, pick what they want (its called cherry picking) and let David take whats left. The better solution is to let David pickup what he wants on his way to a OGCA show and leave what he doesn't want. Then the kids can take or leave whats left. They already have guns to remember ole Dad. Anything else is just gravy.
This is exactly right, IF your goal is to get the most money for your collection. It can also be a bad mistake, depending on your sons. If you are talking about sons who like to go hunting or blasting targets on the weekend, and you don't want them cherry-picking the Colt SAA serial #1 or the nearly NIB S&W HE 44 Spl from 1920 out of your collection, and taking it out weekly and blasting modern jacketed ammo through it, then, yes, I see your point. However, if one or both of your kids love guns, collecting, and history, and would appreciate a collectable for what it is, and you send them off to the auction, you will certainly cause hard feelings.


I'd say THE most important thing to do is to communicate with your loved ones, gunship.

I love the story about the stamp collection that went up in smoke... As a collector, I don't really care that she lost out on hundreds of thousands of dollars. She was stupid and didn't deserve the money as far as I'm concerned. I'm more upset at the loss to the world of collectors. And, that's they way I'd look at the guns too. I have three kinds of guns in my safe:

A) Collectibles, which are valuable and never shot and kept for enjoyment and investment.
B) Shooters, which are kept for using.
C) Accidents, which are guns that I don't really care about, but I came into them as a deal.

Accidents are a great place to start divesting one-self of a collection. You don't care about them, probably don't have much in them, and can see what profit you can turn and how you feel about letting them go.

Shooters are not as easy to get rid of, until the day comes you can't shoot anymore. My dad died three years ago of pancreatic cancer. He last 5 months after diagnosis, and some days were better than others. I called one of my best friends, who was close to my dad, and informed him. Good friend that he is, he said, "well, it's time to shoot up every round of ammo he owns." A couple months before dad died, on a beautiful warm summer day, my friend and I took dad to the range with every gun he wanted to shoot and several cans of ammo. Dad got to shoot his beloved M1 Carbines, Broomhandle Mausers, his Garand, and WWII 1911. The Thompson was too heavy for him, but he had a great day. After thanking us profusely, he told me to take the guns to my house, which I did. I gave a bunch of the extra ammo left over to my buddy for him facilitating. Shooters may or may not have some monetary value, but I say if you have heirs who want them, give them to them. I have a daughter, nephew and 3 grand-nephews who are avidly interested in guns. Several are only interested in hunting guns, so they will get their pick of the shotguns. One is into modern military guns, so he'll get a few choices out of what I own of them. My daughter is just starting her shooting interest, but she'll get whatever she wants. :D

The Collectibles are the harder category to deal with. They are pricey, and as I described above about the stamp collector, there is a broader group than the family who would really appreciate them (and likely no one in the family who would). Still, I would communicate with the family. The only person in the family I would GIVE these to, would be my daughter. (Having only one direct heir makes this easier on me than others, perhaps.) At some point, the financial value gets to a point that it's unfair to the others. I've left instructions that my collectibles should go to one of the firearms collector auction companies (we're down the road from Rock Island Auctions), if my daughter doesn't want them. (She might. She and I are very close and she is showing a pretty good interest. Still, those change over time, so I want her and my wife to know and have options.) If I live a good long time more, and my daughter doesn't want the collectibles I've got, I love the suggestions of going to the auction yourself and watching them get bid on. Now, if you do not have an easy, single-heir situation like me, but an heir or two ARE interested in the collectables, the other thing I would suggest, to be fair to the other heirs, is to put a value on the collectibles and ask the heirs who want them to buy them or take an off-set against their inheritance. I did this with my dad's (actually my paternal grandfather's, but dad had inherited it from him) coin collection. My sister wasn't interested in it, but it wasn't fair for me to just take it. Had to count it out and put values on it, and I paid cash for some, took an off-set for some of it (mom gave the sister some cash), and some of it went to local coin dealer for sale. I'm happy, mom's happy, and sister are happy. It took communication though. That's the work. That and being sensitive to fairness and other heir's feelings.
 
Getting ready

I'm 64, I had to face up to fact that I can't run up and down the
mountains any more. I use to hunt every thing,every where. I have son who likes to plink with 22s once in a while. Got 1 nephew and 1 grandson. I ended up with all family guns, they
knew I wouldn't sell them. The family guns are going to the two
boys,they know what they represent. I have already sold off my
magnum rifles. The rest of them I'm going to sell of little at a time. My wife and kids know what guns are worth, they have
payed a lot of bills over the years. I very seldom have bought a
new gun, there has been hundreds pass through my hands. When
you pick up old rifle that you killed a deer with it's almost like
having a movie in your mind. You don't want to let go.
 
I'm 64. No wife, no kids. lots of guns. I am starting to dispose of them through private sales. Most of my trade fodder is gone, watch this space for a couple of nice S&Ws, and I'll auction many at some point. I don't want to die with a couple of locked safes, a few loaded pieces here and there, and nobody designated to clean up after me.
 
Going back a few years I was promised a German Lugar that My Uncle (no Children that lived past the age of 16) brought back after WWII as a capture with all the proper paperwork. He was a POW in Europe for 3 years, by the time the camp was taken over by the allies he was the highest ranking Non Com in the camp he was given the Lugar the holster and the wooden attachable stock. to make a long story short when my uncle passed the Lugar was no where to be found. My aunts side of the family was never gun friendly and I believe that when my uncle passed they quickly removed the Lugar and sold it. Not caring about any historical or sentimental value it had.

In last few years I have thinned the collection getting rid of the lesser value / more common guns. I have picked up a few better quality / more rare items. I more or less keep a list of who should get what in the event of my passing and what fair market value would be on most. My most treasured items have been promised to my children and Grand kids in the hopes that they will enjoy them as much as I do now.
Rob
 
I agree that to do NOTHING is the worse thing possible. As well as communicating with Family members what you want done with your collection.

Several years back a friend and neighbor died after a long bout with cancer. Despite having his collection added separately to his Will. A vulture from his Gun club came by and tried to make off with the best of the collection; old Winchesters, a few Perrazzi trap guns, several Browning O/U's ,etc.

Luckily someone intervened and they waited for the Will to be read.

I'm in the situation of no children that find my treasures as rewarding as I do. So I have already started to give away the odd item and it is more rewarding than I would have thought.

FN in MT
 
You could choose to be buried with some of them. That is my wish. Who knows where I will end up, I might need them.

Being buried with weapons as grave goods is an old tradition. If nothing else, it provides an interesting find for future archaeologists.
 
"I'm 64. No wife, no kids. lots of guns. I am starting to dispose of them through private sales. Most of my trade fodder is gone, watch this space for a couple of nice S&Ws, and I'll auction many at some point. I don't want to die with a couple of locked safes, a few loaded pieces here and there, and nobody designated to clean up after me." Posted by LT JL

Would you consider adoption?:-)
 
I'm 68 and not in the best health, my son gets my hunting guns wife gets her own, grandkids each get a 22 revolver with both cyl, mod 39 and browning lever 22's, shotguns and hunting rifles. The rest can be sold or whatever, just had my priorities for some of them.
 
You might consider allowing her to keep your guns in trust with the understanding that when she no longer has interest or is able to appreciate and care for the weapons that they be delivered to
a] a museum b]sold for your favorite charity c] etc.

I would make a list with serial numbers and give pictures to a lawyer so that specific weapons, especially valuable ones, don't disappear.
 
Keep in mind we're all in slightly different situations. I've already passed along all the family guns. I might have done a bad job of it, but my son's communicate well enough to trade. With heirloom guns, $ value sometimes isn't as much of a consideration as which relative owned them in the past.

That initial disposition kind of cleared the air on the fairness part. When you start talking money, even the ammo and accessories start to take on some significance. I sure couldn't carry all the ammo, nor do I have a vehicle that could haul it all.

Another consideration that my youngest has been hinting at is what goes with which gun. To me, its just common sense that the P210 mags go with the P210s. It might not be so obvious to someone who can't identify them.

Yes, other sportsmans supplys can be a problem. No body wants old clothes, but Randall knives could attract some interest. I kind of think my wife will keep the individual steak knives...unless she see's the value.

I have a friend who's cousin worked at the Randall knife shop for decades. He had one of the Anniversary knives, and a low number one at that. His drinking finally got him. When the family started looking for that and other collectable knives, they weren't to be found. A list in a lawyers office does no good when someone slips them out the door. Gone is gone. I've heard there is no honor among thieves. Lets add greedy relatives to that.

And that is really the reason we have this thread going. Heirs don't just sit around hoping to get a treasure. Some just take all they can and ignore everyone else. Its why I've made my initial distribution the way I wanted.

Old guys don't talk and think about this often enough. The only people we can really make sense to are other old guys in the same circumstance.
 
My grandfather called all his grandchildren to his house some years ago. We arrived to find nearly all his guns, about 2 dozen, laid out on the floor. Beginning with the oldest, me, he had us pick one out, then we started over when everyone had chosen. I ended up with a pre-64 Winchester Model 70, a 22/32 HD Target and a Marlin Model 90 O/U 20 ga. He kept one handgun and a shotgun, everything else was given away. He knew his two daughters well, and he knew they would leave nothing for any of his grandchildren once he was gone. He was right and those guns were all I ever received from him even though we were close. He was a smart guy who thought it all out.

I have those family guns and a few others that have been given to me over the years. Those will go to my children and they understand how important they are to me. Some of my best friends will get others. I know what they like, and I'll give them to them myself if possible. That leaves quite a few others that I will likely start selling in the next few years. Whatever is left will go to my kids if they want them or I'll have the estate sell them and they can split the money. I don't imagine I'll care much anyway by then!
 
I've heard there is no honor among thieves. Lets add greedy relatives to that.

Meh, in my large Italian family, fighting over dead people's stuff caused rifts almost 30 years ago that were never healed in the rifter's lifetimes. Guess what, I've outlived them all and that "stuff" ain't worth 1/100th what it cost. I'm not attached to anything material. Fact is, the way our society is set up, just a question of time when the "state" winds up with everything since the "family" is an archaic notion. Joe
 
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