I've never had a new one. Closest I got to new was my 4" 66 that was sold to some guy who shot it once and decided that it was "too much" for him, and it went back into the consignment case. I bought it about an hour later, the only thing I changed on it was the "Cheese Grater" grips. My 686-1 I bought a couple of years later had the same ridiculously sharp checkered grips and those came off instantly too. To this day, one of my pet peeves is a gun having been stippled to the point of it hurting your hands when you grip the thing. My FNH FNS-40 was a decent gun, ruined by the over the top texturing it had.