What Would You Do If.....

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What would you do if you and your wife were in your local Walmart lot looking for a parking place and you see a guy severly beating a women, you call 911 but the beating is getting worse, you have a carry permit and a handgun in the truck, you know your limitations (your fist-fighting days are over). Do you take aim while yelling at him to stop, what if he directs his rage on you, do you shoot him?
What are your thoughts.....

 

[silvercorvette]

Tough question and the answer depends on the laws of the state. Anytime you take out your gun you better have the legal justification to shoot.

 

[FennRx]

in indiana, a permit holder has the right use deadly force to protect him/herself or a 3rd party from great bodily harm during the commission of a crime.

 

[Glock 'em down]

I'd dust him.

Of course, I'm a cop, so a felony being committed in my presence is something I HAVE to do...not something I WANT to do.

It would sure be easier just to call 911 and HOPE the cops get there swiftly.

I don't have that luxury.

 

[GatorFarmer]

Go shop at the Target across the street instead. If it has all the hallmarks of a domestic, it is none of my business and the woman is as likely to assault me for messing with her man.

If it looked like it had the hallmarks of a strong arm robbery or attempted kidnapping, then I suppose that I'd have to do something about it. Stop, get out, take up position behind the wheel well/engine (but not crowding my cover), verbal commands to stop, etc.

 

[Nanook 450]

Help her, or you would be a grass-eating ***EDITED***.

 

[David LaPell]

I actually had something like this one, I didn't have a gun but I did step in. This was back when I was about 16 or so. The guy was beating the snot out of his girlfriend, and when I intervened, he split. She had a pretty good black eye, a split lip and a bloody nose, but she refused to have anything done about it. A guess a month later he beat her even worse. I always wonder if she ever learned.

 

[flop-shank]

Leave. I'm not risking everything I ever worked for trying to help someone without enough sense to go about their business armed. There is an excellent article titled Dangers of Intervention at www.stoppingpower.net . Click on "commentary" at the top of the page.

I will intervene on the behalf of childen and the very elderly. The important thing is to know what you will do ahead of time and where you draw the line.

 

[indiandave]

Call 911 and hope for the best. If it's the guys wife she might not even press charges. If you shoot the guy think law suit. It's a shame we live in times when fear of lawyers and police actions not right or wrong says what we do.

 

[Guest]

911 call by the Bride and if she is currently carrying I'd give her my second G-27 and then go do something about the situation. I no longer carry a Badge but it doesn't mean the Cop in me is all gone. I did this sort of thing - exactly, this sort of thing, but before I was married - many years ago and would do it again. I guess being thought to respect women by my generation has stuck with me all these Years. I simply <span class="ev_code_RED">COULDN'T/WOULDN'T</span> slink away or I'd never have any respect for myself as a man.

 

[bubbiesdad]

Calling 911 is a given, if he isn't armed, I have a less than lethal method of defense. Along with the proper documentation.

 

[Double-O-Dave]

This is indeed a sticky one. In earlier days, I was an EMT, and I got attacked by more than one abused/beaten woman while rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight - and this was with police present. My CHL instructor stated that if this situation occurred, and we were legally armed and had not intervened, that law enforcement would not be pleased. I don't know about that advice. I think it would be a case-by-case situation for me.

Regards,

Dave

 

[STL9MM]

It's too bad we even have to think about it. We know what the right thing to do is. But in todays world, may not be the best thing for you! As a reserve officer years ago, we were always told to watch the victim in a situation like this. You touch the guy and she'll be the first to attack you in return.

 

[mississippi revolverman]

Don't want to sound like a smart a-- on a very serious question. My thoughts she gets in her car lock the door and pull up in reason and get down on the horn. If the guy tries to approach her draw the weapon

 

[Nanook 450]

Originally posted by Double-O-Dave:
This is indeed a sticky one. In earlier days, I was an EMT, and I got attacked by more than one abused/beaten woman while rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight - and this was with police present. My CHL instructor stated that if this situation occurred, and we were legally armed and had not intervened, that law enforcement would not be pleased. I don't know about that advice. I think it would be a case-by-case situation for me.

Regards,

Dave

Why in the hell were you rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight?

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Originally posted by Nanook 450:

Originally posted by Double-O-Dave:
This is indeed a sticky one. In earlier days, I was an EMT, and I got attacked by more than one abused/beaten woman while rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight - and this was with police present. My CHL instructor stated that if this situation occurred, and we were legally armed and had not intervened, that law enforcement would not be pleased. I don't know about that advice. I think it would be a case-by-case situation for me.

Regards,

Dave

Why in the hell were you rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight?

Cause HE was the one that was HURT. Sometimes, kitty shows her claws, or a ball peen hammer, or a cast iron skillet, or a .22 caliber pistol, or a...

Point is, sometimes you end up with one victim, sometimes two vics, sometimes none, sometimes multiple. I got summoned to the call...I didn't arrange the mayhem that resulted in same.

Regards,

Dave

 

[USAF385]

My fist fighting days aren't over, so I'd open a can of Krav Maga on the punks.

Plus... my girlfriend carries now, so if their mantis style was stronger than my Krav Maga, she'd have my back.

 

[Nanook 450]

Originally posted by Double-O-Dave:

Originally posted by Nanook 450:

Originally posted by Double-O-Dave:
This is indeed a sticky one. In earlier days, I was an EMT, and I got attacked by more than one abused/beaten woman while rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight - and this was with police present. My CHL instructor stated that if this situation occurred, and we were legally armed and had not intervened, that law enforcement would not be pleased. I don't know about that advice. I think it would be a case-by-case situation for me.

Regards,

Dave

Why in the hell were you rendering aid to the husband in a domestic fight?

Cause HE was the one that was HURT. Sometimes, kitty shows her claws, or a ball peen hammer, or a cast iron skillet, or a .22 caliber pistol, or a...

Point is, sometimes you end up with one victim, sometimes two vics, sometimes none, sometimes multiple. I got summoned to the call...I didn't arrange the mayhem that resulted in same.

Regards,

Dave

Thanks for the clarifiaction . . .much respect for the EMT community here!

 

[ace1001]

My personal opinion is that most people have no business practicing their MMA skills with their gun on their hip. Those skills are religated to buying time and position to deploy the gun. Also, if I notice a situation developing, I am not reluctant to unholstering to another inhand conceiled position. My state allows OC and if I politely ask someone to leave, the fact that the gun is in my hand is immaterial as long s I do not brandish. It is also useful to ask the person if he is threatening me. Then tell him that I feel threated...ask if the woman on the bottom feels threatened. You will learn her state of mind. Tell him you would feel less threated if he would just leave...Does that seem like a good idea to him. The police will be here momentarily maam, would you like to wait for them?
Of course he will leave. before he goes to his car, I would take a position of cover and I would tell him with a very steady gaze, that if he threatens me in any way with a weapon or the car, "I will kill you." Ace

 

[USAF385]

Originally posted by ace1001:
My personal opinion is that most people have no business practicing their MMA skills with their gun on their hip. Those skills are religated to buying time and position to deploy the gun.

My thoughts are MMA skills are a much more sure thing. For me, with 15 years experience (Boxing, Shotokan Karate, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Krav Maga) I feel more secure using them against unarmed adversaries than I would using a gun.

My reasons: I know what I can do.. what will kill and what will disable. With a gun there are so many variables to consider. If there is a commotion, you could miss and send a bullet toward innocent bystanders. Even if you hit your target, the bullet could pass through and injure someone else. The chances of accidentally killing the target are much higher with a gun. What if the man and woman are in a (abusive) relationship? You shoot the attacker and the woman doesn't back your side of the story.. you're in a world of trouble. Even simply revealing your gun can make a bad situation worse.

Chances are if you yelled "Hey!" and the attacker saw you.. he'd take off running.

Now if the attacker was threatening the woman with a weapon.. different story.