What's the best way to lighten the trigger pull on a M340PD?

SW340PD,

I really do respect your opinion. But who wants to spende $1000 on a hand gun then have to do a "trigger job" "right out of the box?"

That is my point!!! or question as it may appear?

I am sure I will get flamed for "taking the name in vain!" :D

My thoughts!

Yours?

rd

I agree that paying that much for a gun and then paying to improve it seems wrong. But,,,,,I had a great time doing it. To me, it's like deer hunting, I do not
calculate the cost/lb for venison. Seriously, I was looking/researching for the best concealed carry weapon to fit my specific needs. The 340PD was and is the perfect match and I knew before buying it that it would need a trigger job.
 
SW340PD,

I really do respect your opinion. But who wants to spende $1000 on a hand gun then have to do a "trigger job" "right out of the box?"

That is my point!!! or question as it may appear?

I am sure I will get flamed for "taking the name in vain!" :D

My thoughts!

Yours?

rd

I swapped a KelTec P32, two magazines, and a Fobus paddle holster to get my nickeled, 1982 vintage, S&W Model 37. :eek: The trigger pull was...stout. :confused: The $26.95 I paid for the Apex Tactical Duty Spring Kit was more than well worth it. :D If I had spent $1,000.00 on a J frame, the $26.95 for the kit would be less than a decent holster or just more than a 20 round box of premium defensive ammunition.

YMMV. :cool:

Just an addendum: My Model 37 has the firing pin in the hammer which may provide additional mass to the firing stroke that the separate firing pin systems just can't generate.
 
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The LCR is a "clean sheet" design. A smooth light trigger movement was the top priority from day one. They succeeded. It's got a great trigger.

The J-frame trigger is wed to a S&W design that over 100 years old. (Though the coil-spring main-spring is a newer addition). It's robust and time proven action, but I don't think it's possible to get it as light and smooth as a LCR.
I'd put my 442's trigger up against an LCR's anytime.
 
Saw the FedEx guy go by yesterday. Then he went back the other way. The phone rang; it was Bill from my LGS: "Your gun's here." So Barbara and I walked across the street. Paperwork took a few minutes then we yakked with Bill for nearly an hour.

Got home and pulled the trigger on my new M&P 340. I had done enough research to know I should expect it to be heavy, but oh, man. Thought I was going to have to head out to the shop, put the grip in a vice, and hook up the Jeep's winch.

Found this thread from nearly a year ago and after reading the question and all the replies I felt better. What a great resource. For an older guy I have a pretty steady hand so I'm going to follow the suggestions of many of you... practice, practice, practice, and learn.

Thanks for a great forum!

Bob

ps: for those of you who are eligible, I highly recommend using S&W's LE/Military/1st Responder program. Got the no lock 340 from Quantico Tactical: $625.99 + $15 shipping + $20 for Bill. Bill offers great prices, but he said he couldn't even buy it for what I paid. I'll mail the S&W rebate form today.
 
I've put the Apex kit in 2 of my J-Frames. Does make for a noticeably lighter trigger. A little judicious stoning and polishing of the return spring carrier does a lot to smooth the trigger pull.

Nice thing about the Apex and other spring kits is you're not making any changes to the firearm that are difficult to un-do. Takes about 15 minutes to install the springs and about 15 minutes to "un-install" the springs and return to stock.

Jeff
 
Get the kit and put moly in all the moving parts. Run the action to work the moly into the pores of the metal. Don't forget to add moly on the sear.
You might think about adding a shim on both sides of the trigger and hammer to reduce friction
 
I bought the Apex kit months before I got my M&P340. Between the kit and some polishing, the gun is now shootable. I don't see how one could shoot the gun, accurately, without trigger work.
 
jeffnles1, BigBill, BigMoneyGrip: thanks for your replies; they are not lost on me. They're mighty compelling, in fact.

I have to go punch some holes in paper with .38s (providing I can hit the paper) because a new gun shouldn't just sit there and look good. My Karl Nill grips should be here within five weeks, and I can't wait to see what difference they'll make. Then if I can't tame the beast I'll likely spring for new springs -- no use having a gun that serves no purpose.

Thanks again,

Bob
 
Hi Cowboy...
Don't do a thing until you've dry-fired between 1000-2000 times. Three things happen: the springs settle, the parts smooth out, and your muscles get stronger. You probably know this already but it bears repeating for those who may not.

In a span of a couple of months last year, my wife got a 642 and I got a M&P340. Our first revolvers. The springs on her 642 seemed lighter than my 340 and her action also seemed smoother - fewer felt rough spots. These were to be "last ditch" defensive carry pieces anyway and before buying, I did expect stiff triggers. Better too stiff than too light.

After lots of dry-firing, both pieces loosened up - the rough sections diminished and the springs seemed loss stiff. During the dry-firing exercises, I mostly did two hand and right hand intentional quick follow-through which is most likely how I will fire it if faced with a threat that justifies deadly force.

But I also did slow pulls. When you do it slow like this, you will hear/feel the first click, then the second click. At the second click, stop. This is the shelf. Any farther and the hammer is released. (my 340 had a bit of roughness at this hammer release point) Slow pulls develop muscle and build control.

By dry-firing, I got good at a medium-quick pull and stopping after the second click, exacting my aim and firing. Stopping at the second click is almost like pulling the hammer back and firing in single-action.

Of course, that type of drill is for more accurate, deliberate longer distance shooting where you have a second of extra time which is not what these little guns are for. Almost all of my practice with the MP340 is quick, smooth, aimed complete firing at ranges of 5-10 yards.

I look at indoor dry-firing as training and I even use a target.

So anyway... after this break-in period I did want to open them both up to get the metal dust out and since I knew I would have them open, I figured I would learn a new skill so I bought two Arkansas stones, watched the Yoda-G video about 10 times and found a S&W exploded J-frame diagram.

Both revolvers got a thorough interior cleaning and careful polishing of the contact surfaces and judicious, selective lubrication. I replaced the 18# (?) trigger rebound spring in my wife's 642 with a 13# Wolf but left mine with the factory rebound. I left both factory hammer springs, too. It went well. The only mishap was losing the smallest spring (sear spring) in mine and I had to vacuum the room with a stocking as a filter to recover it.

Both are now ultra smooth, the 642 which had a lighter pull anyway is more suited to her but I left my MP340 on the stiff side which I prefer because if I ever have to use my .357 when it counts, I won't be concerned with the trigger pull.

Good luck with yours.

Oh... .357 ammo through the 340? I don't advise it without a thin leather shooting glove. You might want to try it so you know what it feels like - it's fun but the hard snap is enough to move skin at the bottom knuckle of the thumb. *thin leather glove*. If you want performance between .38+P and full .357mag, I found that Buffalo Bore 19G/20 125JHP is shootable in the j-frame and is designed to be low flash, quick burn and reduced recoil. It's what I carry.
 
My 340 PD trigger was too stiff for the light weight of the gun. Apex kit made the trigger a non-issue without lightening it a ton. 357 rounds cause a cut on my trigger finger knuckle due to my long finger. 357 gives too much recoil for reasonable followup shots for me; I only bought it for 38 anyway. Recoil in a lightweight carry gun can be a key issue. Ammo selection in snubs is very important, worthy of it's own book or website. Plenty of high quality ammunition won't perform in short barrels. It is a shame they usually only test out of 4" barrels or longer and don't warn you of sub-par performance out of a snub. Standard off the shelf 357 rounds can chug out at 1100-1200 FPS, though. I didn't bother to chrono the hotter ones, as I did not plan to carry them and did not want to beat up myself and the gun. More typical, popular 38 rounds go out in the 700-800+ FPS range for me. Underwood 125g +p GDHP averaged 1041, but Speer would not claim it works reliably at that velocity, and I can't find any gel testing of that round at that velocity. After watching a lot of gel testing, and shooting a variety of expensive/regular and +p ammo, I'll be carrying the Speer 135g +P short barrel Gold Dot hollow point. It runs around the mid to high 800 FPS and should be relatively easy to shoot. This Gold Dot hollow point has 7 expanding sections, while their other GDHP bullets have only 6 sections. Buffalo Bore has Tcon's round above going out of a J-frame at over 1100 FPS. How that bullet at that speed is reduced recoil, I don't know, but I didn't shoot it. That's 340 ft/lb energy. The Underwood round I clocked makes 301ft/lb and it stings. The Speer short barrel round makes about 223 ft/lb. You'll have to shoot some to see what you can live with among the rounds that perform.
 

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