What’s the correct name for these grips and value?

[Vbk76]

So I recently got these grips and am considering selling them to fund another project. What's the going rate roughly for this type

I frame/ top break target grips?
No serial number
One chip and crack by medallion
Smells like an old basement



In direct sunlight



Thanks for the help

 

[DWalt]

I think that those are probably from an early Heavy Frame Target .22 (AKA .22/32 Bekaert Model), pre-1920. There is significance to the double screws, and others can tell you more about that and their value. The first 3000 were serial numbered on the butt of the left grip panel, and those would be worth some big money.

 

[Vbk76]

Nothing on the butts

 

[OldChief]

I agree with DWalt, probably from a 22/32 Heavy Frame Target. I have one.

I have no idea of the value but I'm sure someone with more knowledge on this subject will come in.

 

[glowe]

. . . I frame/ top break target grips?
. . .

Yes. I would say that it might also be likely they were on a Third Model Single Shot revolver. The gold medallion dates it from 1910 to 1920. The Third Model SS ran from 1909 to 1923. They were simply called target stocks in the S&W Catalogs of the era and were available for purchase or as an optional cost item for Single Shots, 38 Perfected, 38 Double Actions, and I frame revolvers. made in the teens. In the teens, these stocks had pencil marked serial numbers and they can be hard to see plus too much cleaning will remove the numbers without a trace.

 

[hibbs]

Grips

I agree with Gary. Those grips are from a 3rd. model single shot. The radius on the backstrap cut on your grips is a smooth radius from top to bottom. The backstrap cut on 22/32 HFT grips has a step 5/16" from the top, where the radius begins. As to the value, nice grips can bring up to $300. Your's, in present condition, maybe $100.

Richard

 

[Hondo44]

I agree with Gary. Those grips are from a 3rd. model single shot. The radius on the backstrap cut on your grips is a smooth radius from top to bottom. The backstrap cut on 22/32 HFT grips has a step 5/16" from the top, where the radius begins. As to the value, nice grips can bring up to $300. Your's, in present condition, maybe $100.

Richard

Richard,
You're confusing the extended Regulation Police grips with one screw and the above extended target grips with two screws.

The target grips fit over the rebated grip frames without needing a different recess cutout on the backs. Target grips are made to fit both rd butt grip frames and the rebated RP grip frames. They were used on or could be special ordered on:

3rd model SS
22/32 Heavy Frame Targets (Bekearts)
22/32 Kit Guns
32 hand ejector and RP target models
38 S&W HE and RP models


Rebated .32 and .38 S&W RP grip frame and grips:

Photo by handejector

Photo by handejector


Pre war 22/32 Kit Gun w/Targets:

Older hard rubber Targets are the same:

Photo by wraco

 

[Hondo44]

So I recently got these grips and am considering selling them to fund another project. What's the going rate roughly for this type

I frame/ top break target grips?
No serial number
One chip and crack by medallion
Smells like an old basement

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Thanks for the help

Try a photo of the back of the right grip in direct sunlight. The # is only on the back of the right grips.

Those are not the best condition and oil soaked; maybe $100.

Soak in acetone and let them dry.

 

[glowe]

Agree with the Jim's price and when he says soak, submerge them for days not hours. With that much oil, it may take a couple of soakings before much oil comes out. Of course, the soaking will also remove the finish.

Taking you image, enlarging and lightening does not bring up any number, so likely that cleaning, oil, etc. has rubbed it away. They could also have been purchased directly from the factory, so no number would have been applied.

 

[Vbk76]

Thanks guys. I'll let the next owner soak/refinish them. I appreciate all the help

 

[handejector]

I agree with Gary. Those grips are from a 3rd. model single shot. The radius on the backstrap cut on your grips is a smooth radius from top to bottom. The backstrap cut on 22/32 HFT grips has a step 5/16" from the top, where the radius begins. As to the value, nice grips can bring up to $300. Your's, in present condition, maybe $100.

Richard

Richard,
You're confusing the extended Regulation Police grips with one screw and the above extended target grips with two screws.

The target grips fit over the rebated grip frames without needing a different recess cutout on the backs. Target grips are made to fit both rd butt grip frames and the rebated RP grip frames. They were used on or could be special ordered on:

3rd model SS
22/32 Heavy Frame Targets (Bekearts)
22/32 Kit Guns
32 hand ejector and RP target models
38 S&W HE and RP models


Rebated .32 and .38 S&W RP grip frame and grips:

Photo by handejector

Photo by handejector


Pre war 22/32 Kit Gun w/Targets:

Older hard rubber Targets are the same:

Photo by wraco

Just for clarity-
When commercial production resumed after WW I, the Factory produced the 22/32 Heavy Frame Target (Bekeart Model) on the rebated frame of the 32 Regulation Police. Maybe it was a cost saving move to avoid producing these two screw Target stocks.
I have talked about this over the years. I discovered this years ago when I bought one with rebated grips that was just about NIB in the original numbered box with original rebated grips numbered to the gun.
I can imagine that many buyers were disappointed when they had seen a buddy's Pre-War gun with large grips and ordered one only to have it arrive with "little girl grips"!
Of course, a buyer could order the larger Target grips, or perhaps even pressure the Factory into swapping for a set.

The Post-War production did not really get cranked up till well into 1919, and by 1923, the Factory returned to the large Target grips on the 22/32 HFT according to this enginee4ring order-

 

[Hondo44]

Lee,

I thought that might be just a little too much detail for the purposes of this thread, but thank you for adding.

Those were two items that ended up on the cutting room floor for lack of space along with some others unfortunately, in my appendix C on pg 492 in the SCSW 4th ed.

 

[Hondo44]

One can also tell by the little curl of the inletting at the front bottom where the toe of the grip frame would fit on post 1920s target & RP grips, that they are not for a post 1920 rebated grip frame.

• May 8, 1920 change order, rebated grip frame front toe left sq for easier grip fitting of I frame .22/32 HFT, .32 & .38 RP stocks until the end of rebated grip frames in 1957: