When are you the most vulnerable?

[jrd1976]

....clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here I am stuck in the middle with you......

 

[speedshooter]

When i sleeping.
I keep my pistol on the headboard with a tac light and the shotgun at the ready by the doorway.And oh yeh, the house is absolutely dark.

 

[conn ak]

At work. Federal law prohibits carry by common folk in Federal installations.

 

[flop-shank]

I fell most at risk when in the shower...at home...alone. I can't think of more vulnerable place. When in the shower, I do keep my heat handy...at the ready.

I live in a one story small house. I've found that I can still hear everything while in the shower, but only lower frequency sounds. Like you, the revolver is just on the other side of the curtain (great job for a Taurus).

 

[PALADIN85020]

I'm at my most vulnerable while having to watch the annointed one on TV, which is almost any time I'm watching TV. He's so impressed with himself he even named his dog for his initials.

 

[GLV]

I'm at my most vulnerable while having to watch the annointed one on TV, which is almost any time I'm watching TV. He's so impressed with himself he even named his dog for his initials.

My TV is what is vulnerable in the above--so because I do not wish to buy a new one I stopped watching him.

Any time at home, more so when in the shower, however a 296 hangs on a peg in the shower stall, and two dogs are laying just outside the bathroom door. )

 

[Capt Steve]

Sounds like a few folks here got in line twice when they were passing out paranoia just to make sure they got enough. Don't you guys lock the front door before you get in the shower? When the day comes that I have to have a loaded gun handy to take a shower will be the day I move to a better neighborhood. Good luck guys and keep those tin foil hats handy! (o;

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

Sounds like a few folks here got in line twice when they were passing out paranoia just to make sure they got enough. Don't you guys lock the front door before you get in the shower? When the day comes that I have to have a loaded gun handy to take a shower will be the day I move to a better neighborhood. Good luck guys and keep those tin foil hats handy! (o;

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No paranoia here. My wife and I live under a real, mortal threat. It's no joke. We take it damn seriously. No tinfoil hats in my house.

My front door is locked, I've got a monitored security system, the outside of my house lights up like a Polish circus, my wife and myself both carry 24/7, our "threat" is locked up in the state pen, two hundred miles away and is not due it get out for another sixty years.

Why is he there? Try two convictions of solicitation for murder in the first degree after a felony conviction. Where did he make these solicitations? In jail.

Paranoia?

COME ON, GIMME A BREAK

 

[Capt Steve]

Charlie, I am sorry to hear about the threat in your lives. I understand your concerns and where you choose to draw the line, or shower curtain for that matter, is definitely your call. IMHO: If I cannot comfortably take a shower in my own home, unarmed, then it is time for a change of scene. I hope this is or will be an option for you. As it is, you would seem to be as imprisoned as the animal that stalks you. That is just wrong on so many levels. Don't you just love or system of injustice? Good luck and stay safe!

 

[flop-shank]

Sounds like a few folks here got in line twice when they were passing out paranoia just to make sure they got enough. Don't you guys lock the front door before you get in the shower? When the day comes that I have to have a loaded gun handy to take a shower will be the day I move to a better neighborhood. Good luck guys and keep those tin foil hats handy! (o;

Where did you get your crystal ball? I could use one. The problem with the word "need" is that most peope (and obviously you) really don't get the concept that we won't always know what we need until the need arises. I'm not in the least bit of fear when I take a shower, but rather than trying to guess (remember, I don't have one of those crystal ball thingys) when I might, or might not need a gun. I follow a simple doctrine I learned as a young soldier. Always have a weapon within arms reach.

I ain't about to insult anyone else on this forum because of when they do or don't carry, so what's your problem?

 

[Capt Steve]

Where did you get your crystal ball? I could use one. The problem with the word "need" is that most peope (and obviously you) really don't get the concept that we won't always know what we need until the need arises. I'm not in the least bit of fear when I take a shower, but rather than trying to guess (remember, I don't have one of those crystal ball thingys) when I might, or might not need a gun. I follow a simple doctrine I learned as a young soldier. Always have a weapon within arms reach.

I ain't about to insult anyone else on this forum because of when they do or don't carry, so what's your problem?

There is a lot more to being able to live safely, comfortably, hopefully happily, than reaching for a gun. Reaching for a gun should be the last thing you, hopefully never, have to do. Not everyone has the option of living in a decent neighborhood, I do get that. But if you can't lock the front door and take a shower without a weapon there is something fundamentally wrong with your living situation. If there are children in this war zone of a household you are probably borderline guilty of child endangerment.

I don't keep track of these sort of statistics but can anyone here document where anybody has been gunned down in their shower? You are free to keep as many guns anywhere the law allows, including your shower. If doing so makes you feel safer, good for you. I just can't imagine living anywhere that required doing so.

It worked for John Wayne and Kirk Douglass in the War Wagon (Best lines in a great western:"Mine hit the ground first", Kirk Douglass - "Mine was taller", John Wayne (o;

 

[flop-shank]

There is a lot more to being able to live safely, comfortably, hopefully happily, than reaching for a gun. Reaching for a gun should be the last thing you, hopefully never, have to do. Not everyone has the option of living in a decent neighborhood, I do get that. But if you can't lock the front door and take a shower without a weapon there is something fundamentally wrong with your living situation. If there are children in this war zone of a household you are probably borderline guilty of child endangerment.

You don't know me, Ace, and I don't need your condescending advice on how to live. First of all I'm not some idiot who thinks a gun is the only solution to living securely. It's a last resort. Not only do I keep my doors locked, but when home alone showering, I close and lock the safe as well. I'm an empty nester and I live in a reasonably good neighborhood, and even the best neighborhoods have burglaries. Common sense security and a religious adherance to our doctrine keep me and my wife safe. As far as moving goes, have you seen how hard it is to sell a house in Michigan lately? That were if I wanted to move, which I don't.

I don't keep track of these sort of statistics but can anyone here document where anybody has been gunned down in their shower?

A friend of mine killed a man once who thought nothing would happen if he left his rifle elsewhere while taking a dump. It happened in a war, but the lesson is the same to me. If you fudge on your doctrine, you leave an opening that an enemy may capitalize on. Home invasions are becoming more common and if caught in a vulnerable spot like the shower, there will be no time to go get a gun. What you have is what you will be forced to fight with. I'm a known gun owner. Living securely makes mucho sense. No doubt the gangsters that live half a mile south of me would like my weapons.

You are free to keep as many guns anywhere the law allows, including your shower. If doing so makes you feel safer, good for you. I just can't imagine living anywhere that required doing so.

There goes that crystal ball again. After all, nothing bad ever happens in a nice neighborhood.

Go bother someone else. I don't care what you think.

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

Charlie, I am sorry to hear about the threat in your lives. I understand your concerns and where you choose to draw the line, or shower curtain for that matter, is definitely your call. IMHO: If I cannot comfortably take a shower in my own home, unarmed, then it is time for a change of scene. I hope this is or will be an option for you. As it is, you would seem to be as imprisoned as the animal that stalks you. That is just wrong on so many levels. Don't you just love or system of injustice? Good luck and stay safe!

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Steve, I'm not "imprisoned". Period. The end.

"Move? Where too? Why? Lose everything you have?

You mentioned earlier you'd move to a better neighborhood. Where in the hell do you think I live, the ghetto? In reality, I live in one of the best neighborhoods in the city.

Next, my house is paid for....it has been for twenty years. It is just the house I've always wanted. I can't think of anything I'd do right now to change it. You suggest "moving"?

COME ON GIMME A BREAK!

I am just practicing prudent, self protection. I don't live "imprisoned". I just exercise situational awareness and take all prudent steps necessary to insure my safety.

Who do you think I am and Who do you think you are talking too?

Your whole tone is just a bit more than condescending.

 

[Capt Steve]

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Steve, I'm not "imprisoned". Period. The end.

"Move? Where too? Why? Lose everything you have?

You mentioned earlier you'd move to a better neighborhood. Where in the hell do you think I live, the ghetto? In reality, I live in one of the best neighborhoods in the city.

Next, my house is paid for....it has been for twenty years. It is just the house I've always wanted. I can't think of anything I'd do right now to change it. You suggest "moving"?

COME ON GIMME A BREAK!

I am just practicing prudent, self protection. I don't live "imprisoned". I just exercise situational awareness and take all prudent steps necessary to insure my safety.

Who do you think I am and Who do you think you are talking too?

Your whole tone is just a bit more than condescending.

Charlie you see condescention where none is intended. I feel bad for your situation and hope it gets better. I'm glad you don't feel imprisoned, I would if I were in your situation. From what you describe you do have a very legitimate concern and taking whatever measures make you comfortable makes sense to me. Happily very few folks have to deal with your reality.

I never inferred, much less said you live in a ghetto and congratulations on having your house paid for, as do I. Moving would perhaps lessen your potential exposure to the animal that haunts and hunts you but I understand it might not be worth it. As I said before these issues are your call.

Flop;

"First of all I'm not some idiot who thinks a gun is the only solution to living securely. It's a last resort. Not only do I keep my doors locked, but when home alone showering, I close and lock the safe as well."

Glad to hear it, never thought you were. I keep my house and my safe, where most of my guns reside locked 24/7 as well. For someone to get to me in the shower they will have a window of about 5 minutes every morning, will have to kick in a substantial door and defeat the deadbolts as well. All of this without alerting my wife or dog and before I can get to the gun I keep next to my bed. This is why I do not feel vulnerable or threatened while showering.

"There goes that crystal ball again. After all, nothing bad ever happens in a nice neighborhood."

No crystal ball in my house. I analyze risks and take the appropriate actions just as you and Charlie do. It sounds like you have some serious issues with your neighborhood and I wish you well with that.

"I don't care what you think."

Glad to hear it. I think I'll go take a long hot shower and then have a nice cold beer. (o;

 

[elcruisr]

CaptSteve, if Charlies has got a guy soliciting hit men then moving isn't going to help a thing. You can find all but the most dedicated these days with $50 and an internet link. Privacy is largely dead.

Can't say I'd call his precautions paranoid more prudent in his position.

 

[flop-shank]

For someone to get to me in the shower they will have a window of about 5 minutes every morning, will have to kick in a substantial door and defeat the deadbolts as well. All of this without alerting my wife or dog and before I can get to the gun I keep next to my bed.

Not my situation. Oftentimes I'm alone and my dog has been dead for a decade.

It sounds like you have some serious issues with your neighborhood and I wish you well with that.

Not so bad really. Like many urbanized areas here is good, ugly may be three blocks away.

I think I'll go take a long hot shower and then have a nice cold beer. (o;

Alright. From one Army vet to another, I'll drink to that (sounds like Patton talking to the Russian general, but how cool is that?, and I didn't call you an SOB )

 

[GLV]

Sounds like a few folks here got in line twice when they were passing out paranoia just to make sure they got enough. Don't you guys lock the front door before you get in the shower? When the day comes that I have to have a loaded gun handy to take a shower will be the day I move to a better neighborhood. Good luck guys and keep those tin foil hats handy! (o;

With all due respect, no I do not expect to need a gun while taking a shower, or while at the store, or while in church, or while at work---but in my 78 years, I have met murphy many times--always when I did not expect him. Enough said I wish you the best--but you might want at least one tinfoil hat just in case.

PS, I too live alone, and while the area is nice, two low rent subsidized additions have been built, within 300 yards of where I live. Been here 30 years and at my age, I have no desire to move.

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

You know, every time I make reference to my reason for being constantly vigilant, I'm sure there could possibly be some that say old GPC is just an internet nutjob? He really needs to protect himself and his home 24/7?

Well, without getting into all the gory particulars, here is a link to the perp. This guy has a police record longer than anyone I've ever encountered.

Offender Lookup - Detail

Just peruse the mug shot photos. Wouldn't you be armed 24/7...even in the shower?

Check out the two big convictions. 20 years followed by 40 years. This guy tried to hire cons to arrange my wife's demise.

His second sentence is out for appeal right now. Here is a link to the court record database. Just just scroll roll through this!

OCIS Case Summary for CF-2007-693- State of Oklahoma v. Shattuck, Bruce Lee (Cleveland County District Courts)

I might find some more interesting links, and if I find them, I'll edit them under this entry.

I'm never going to accuse anyone of wearing a tinfoil hat without knowing what I am talking about.

It doesn't get any worse than this.

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Ok, here is addendum No. 1 This is the index of his court records from another country. Check out the last on at the bottom of the first page.

http://www1.odcr.com/results.php#/results.php?Page=0

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Here is addendum No. 2 This tells the story.

http://www.normantranscript.com/localnews/local_story_278012341

 

[Spicoli]

My sister has had experience with getting "serenaded" while she was in the shower. The crooner was some spectacled mustachio from a local loser basement band. Lucky for either of them nothing happened. Hopefully no spectacled mustachio will be serenading her brother ever!!

 

[Capt Steve]

"Alright. From one Army vet to another, I'll drink to that (sounds like Patton talking to the Russian general, but how cool is that?, and I didn't call you an SOB )"

Very cool indeed my friend. Like I said everyone has different needs and ways of meeting them. Charlie, you have got a lot on your plate. That is one seriously scary dude.

This all got me to thinking of a good shower gun. Seriously, I'd go with a revolver in stainless, probably a snubbie in 38 caliber. If you could find one with a lanyard attachment on the butt you could wear it around your neck a like soap on a rope....OK, OK now I am definitely kidding! (o;
Everybody be as safe as you can and do whatever works for you. For me the scariest thing in the shower is looking down and seeing less of my feet every year.