where are all these posters at on our forums?

[Jswiney9]

seems all we get is gloom and doom and on the firearm blogs and site reviews all over the net i see nothing but praise for the gun. there has got to be a happy medium somewhere. im sure that a lot of people didnt do research on the gun and just saw a cool looking .22 and decided to buy it, but wow this is night and day stuff. i was scared to death when i first came here/read what people had written but now it seems things are getting better. i want to once again say thanks to all the contributors of the forum and keep the info coming in. im still on the fence between this and the sig. the sig seems more reliable but this one has more of what im looking for. of course im sure that if i went digging deep enough on the sig like i have the 15/22 id see as many people complaining about it.

 

[Defender3]

I'm not down on the Sig, but the balance just didn't work for me. I'd reiterate what others have said, there have been thousands of these rifles sold and a small percentage have had to be returned. I also think people who have issues pop up more on forums than do the people who are content. There are also quite a few places people can post about the 15-22, including local (State) forums, so that may keep some of the traffic low. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Jswiney9]

thats the thing, the ones that have sold locally here have gotten nothing but praise as well. i had ordered one when they first came out then started seeing negative press on here and a few other places........ the a1 style came out, nothing but praise and more complaints here. i guess you are right though, the people that DO have problems are going to come to forums looking for answers. we have done polls and most people seem happy with their guns and they need to speak up more IMO. people get on here and see nothing but negative remarks and get scared to death like i did when i first read on here.

and with the 522, i have to agree it is an awkward platform, pretty fun to shoot though and not too bad accuracy wise.

 

[eztarget]

i love mine and i had to send it back after three days. i did get to shoot a repaired one and it was so much fun. mine should be available for pickup tomorrow at cabela's from repair. i'd recommend it for sure. having said that, i may opt to recommend that if it gives you any problems and you have the version that is not fixed go ahead and send it back right away. turn around is quick. very quick.

 

[51reva]

Let me put it this way. I take both the S&W 15-22 and the Sig 522 to the range, and argue with myself over which to shoot. They both kick *** IMHO. I like the looks of both. The Sig will, however, feed ANYTHING I have with me. That includes 20 y.o. Rem-Crap! They are both great little black rifles, with their own strengths and weaknesses. I love'em both.

 

[eztarget]

Let me put it this way. I take both the S&W 15-22 and the Sig 522 to the range, and argue with myself over which to shoot. They both kick *** IMHO. I like the looks of both. The Sig will, however, feed ANYTHING I have with me. That includes 20 y.o. Rem-Crap! They are both great little black rifles, with their own strengths and weaknesses. I love'em both.

also i think the s&w 15-22 is much nicer looking. i don't like the looks of the 522.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

15-22 has way too many reports of cycling issues. There's no pretending that it's just a few problems by a few folks who happen to show up here.

As far as the comparing the Sig to the S&W, I have both.

Strong points:

15-22
AR platform/accessories
Light weight

522
Digests variety of ammo/cycling reliability
Accuracy

 

[BELT_FED]

Well I'm at over 11,000 rds and have enjoyed this little gun more than any I've bought in a long time... its saved me 5000 in ammo as a trainer for my ars... I have no complaints minus when wally word don't have my fed bulks lol

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'm 14k rounds and still smokin!

 

[Heirbornranger]

There is also coming a day when after market improved bolts and barrels are going to make this a very reliable and accurate platform...and for now even though mine made the trip back its now relible IMO this is the all out best in a AR platform accurate simulant and when it gets 2 inch accurate at 100 yards we will have something. this and 50 cents still wont buy coffee so hope it helped

 

[tatwell]

We, or at least I, do not have an idea as to just how many 15-22's have been sold, and I definitely agree that if we had all the facts then the 15-22 would have a very low failure rate. I visited one of the local gun shops last week and the people there said they have sold a lot of 15-22's and no one has came back complaining of problems. Whether this is true or not I do not know, but I think it is. My research seems to indicate that that the SIG and 15-22 seem to be the pick of the crop. Funny thing, Davidson's has a lot of the Colt/Umarex 22's, but just a few 15-22's, yet I have read more problem Umarex's than I have bad 15-22's. I also agree that when the after market people start looking at the 15-22's, we may very well start seeing some good parts and tuning services, just like we do for the 10/22's. Having said all of this, I do think that if S&W would put out a recall, or at least say what the problems are, then a lot of fence sitters would likely but the 15-22.

 

[51reva]

also i think the s&w 15-22 is much nicer looking. i don't like the looks of the 522.

We all are entitled to our opinions. I like the looks of both rifles.

 

[CBR240]

Hi, new here.

Last Saturday I picked up both the SIG522 and the SW15-22 for my two boys. I really pushed the 15-22 as I have no SIG experience (and all my SW are awesome, including my 22A-1 which eats CCI and Federal perfectly, although I read a lot of complaints about it), and even though Nic (14) really wanted the 522, I had real reservations. Cam (12) got the 15-22.

Both guns were cleaned before taking to the range.

Sat at range, SIG 522 eat everything we put in it. CCI Mini Mag, Federal bulk pack, and then the ultimate test, it ran a whole mag of the nasty Remington Golden bullets, no problem (will never use them again, but was curious).

15-22. First 100 rounds CCI Mini Mag. No issues at all, feed perfect. Decided to try the federal bulk pack. These work perfect in the other 6 .22LR we have. Loaded only 10 in clip. 4th had fairlure to eject (catching the shell in the receiver cover). Cleared, all well until the 9th round. Large BANG (not the good kind). It really scared my 12 year old who was shooting at the time. Opened the chamber and there is a shell that only went about 1/2 into chamber, yet still fired. Most of the sides of the back of the shell were blown out. A spring fell out also. So this was taken back to the dealer (on Sun the gun show was still going on). I'm sure it will be corrected, but I will wait for weeks.

It was one of the new models:
S&W M&P Spec Edition
SN# DTX6xxx
Model M&P 15-22


And the boys now hate that gun. Only 109 shots fired and it's gone. I guess it's mine now. So when we took the 15-22 back, I also him a SIG (actually P226 pistol).

It's only a sample of one, so it's not statistically significant; but it's irritating. I also wonder about a design that will allow it to fire with round only 1/2 chambered.

Anyway, one day I will get my (it's mine now) SW 15-22 back. So far another 1025 rounds through the SIG522 and not a single issue.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Large BANG (not the good kind). It really scared my 12 year old who was shooting at the time. Opened the chamber and there is a shell that only went about 1/2 into chamber, yet still fired. Most of the sides of the back of the shell were blown out. A spring fell out also. So this was taken back to the dealer (on Sun the gun show was still going on). I'm sure it will be corrected, but I will wait for weeks.

It was one of the new models:
S&W M&P Spec Edition
SN# DTX6xxx
Model M&P 15-22


And the boys now hate that gun. Only 109 shots fired and it's gone. I guess it's mine now.

It's only a sample of one, so it's not statistically significant; but it's irritating. I also wonder about a design that will allow it to fire with round only 1/2 chambered.

It's not just your rifle. Unfortunately, the 15-22 has a great many reports here of Out Of Battery discharge. You can send the rifle back to S&W. Turn around time usually takes a couple weeks. The rifles generally work quite well after repair.

 

[eztarget]

thats not good. 2 this week.

 

[CBR240]

ChattanoogaPhil - Thanks, yes it's already on it's way to Smith and Wesson. I've had Great service from them in the past, so no worries there. It's strange, I miss it, and I've never even shot it (Cam did all the shooting Saturday). The distributor offered me a new one; but I thought with my luck, I might get another with defect. If SW sees it, they will go through it, and I feel sure I will get a good gun back. But now I have waited a whole day I'm starting to question my decision.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

thats not good. 2 this week.

I was thinking the same thing. Just a few days ago I posted how the reports of OOB here seemed to be slowing. Now two more new rifle OOB reports with Fed!?! Perhaps the slow down was simply related to the cold weather and folks not shooting their new rifles. Now the weather is warming a bit.... BANG

The last two included scared kids and a girl friend catching fragments in her arm. S&W needs to get this figured out on the first time they ship the rifle.

 

[eztarget]

I was thinking the same thing. Just a few days ago I posted how the reports of OOB here seemed to be slowing. Now two more new rifle OOB reports with Fed!?! Perhaps the slow down was simply related to the cold weather and folks not shooting their new rifles. Now the weather is warming a bit.... BANG

The last two included scared kids and a girl friend catching fragments in her arm. S&W needs to get this figured out on the first time they ship the rifle.

Phil, do you or anyone else here know what the inherent cause of this is? Does it appear to be a design flaw? Is there a way to resolve it? Is it possible that the mods that are being done to repair failed units (ftf issues with blue springs) address this issue too? I have not had this happen to me yet but I must admit there have been a few rounds that sounded distinctively different than the rest (same ammo). Enough to make me stop and check before continuing to fire. I am concerned because soon I will be exposing my 16yr old son and 9yr old daughter to this gun. Not to mention me being left handed so I am kinda hanging out there. I don't want one of those holes in my cheek...

thanks.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

If SW sees it, they will go through it, and I feel sure I will get a good gun back. But now I have waited a whole day I'm starting to question my decision.

I think you made the right decision. There were some reports a few months ago of rifles failing a 2nd time after S&W had repaired, but all repair reports lately seem to be quite positive.

I picked up a 15-22 DTH in October. 14k rounds of Fed Val Pack with no problems other than about 1% mag snags.

I have a Sig522.

 

[CajunMouseSniper]

I have not had this happen to me yet but I must admit there have been a few rounds that sounded distinctively different than the rest (same ammo). Enough to make me stop and check before continuing to fire. I am concerned because soon I will be exposing my 16yr old son and 9yr old daughter to this gun.

thanks.

This weekend I crossed over the 10k round mark with no issues other than a few mag snags, but occasionally I also hear a round that sounds funny. Not nearly as loud a report, and less powerful than normal. Does anyone Know what this might be and if there is cause for alarm? Like eztarget I have a young daughter that likes to shoot and I would never forgive myself if I put her in harms way.