Where are our S&W revolvers being made?

[Dave686]

Maybe I haven’t kept up, but I thought center fire revolvers were made in Springfield? I was looking at the production numbers for S&W for 2019 (latest available) and was surprised to see the results. 208 revolvers made in Springfield, 83,246 made in Columbia, MO.

 

[Telecaster]

Interesting, that’s about 1,600 revolvers made per week.

 

[s&wchad]

Those could be sales numbers, not manufacturing numbers. In 2019, S&W moved their warehouse and distribution center from Springfield Mass. to Columbia Missouri.

Smith & Wesson is Closing Their Springfield, Mass. Facilities and Moving to Missouri

AFAIK, all current S&W firearms are made in Springfield. I haven’t heard of any plans to move firearms manufacturing. In the past, some of their rifles and shotguns were made in Sweden, Japan and Turkey. None of those panned out too well.

Personally, I’d love to see S&W move completely out of Massachusetts and go to a more gun friendly State, taking their jobs and tax dollars with them.

 

[SS336]

Last paragraph of that article.

“The Springfield facility houses the company's principal research, development, engineering, design sales, marketing, finance, and management functions, according to its most recent report to stockholders. There are no indications of moving those portions of the company.”

Now I too am confused. It doesn’t say anything about manufacturing in either location. Some firearms companies have moved and been sold to other companies, some have worked out some haven’t.
S&W has been sold many time in the past and always came through for the most part ok.
Marlin, for one, has not. Remington, well, you know.
I agree with s&wchad, i would like to see them move to a gun friendly state.
But them you would no longer see Springfield Mass. on the frame. That would be sad.

 

[Truckman]

I’d love to see S&W move completely out of Massachusetts and go to a more gun friendly State, taking their jobs and tax dollars with them.

I can scooch over just a tad, and make room for them in my backyard......Ben

 

[6518John]

It has always been a mystery to me why any company would remain in a location where the powers that be do everything possible to shut you down. I would take my jobs, tax dollars, and infrastructure investment elsewhere.

Arkansas’ doors are open—companies that call Arkansas home include SIG SAUER, Remington—Vista Outdoors, Daisy, Walther, Nighthawk Custom—Korth, Thermold Magazines, Umarex, Wilson Combat, and CZ USA!

We build the arms for the right to keep and bear.

Arkansas Firearms & Ammunition Manufacturing Companies Map

 

[murphydog]

In the past S & W revolvers were made under license in other countries (Germany, Russia, Brazil?) and pistols were made in Maine, but not at present, so this must be a warehouse distribution count as noted above.

As far as manufacturing location, if D.B. and Horace were starting up a gun company today, my guess would be they would be somewhere in the South.

 

[Golphin]

Many cities here in Florida would pay them to move here.

 

[Protocall_Design]

I don't know why they didn't move the Remington plant out of New York when they had the chance to start over. It seems like a dumb idea to keep it there.

 

[Dave686]

I’m still confused. These numbers are from the BATF “Annual Firearms Manufacturers and Export Report (AFMER)” So I doubt they have everything to do with manufacturing and nothing to do with inventory. But that's just my WAG.

I wonder if Springfield is manufacturing revolver parts and sending them to Columbia for final assembly? This would of course require that the BATF treats the two S&W FFLs as “another licensed manufacturer” even though they are the same company?

From the BATF.....

What is "production" and what should I report on my AFMER form?

On the Annual Firearms Manufacturers and Export Report (AFMER) form, Instruction 2 (a) defines "production" as firearms manufactured during the calendar year, to include separate frames or receivers, actions or barreled actions, disposed of in commerce.

A manufacturer who acquires these items from another licensed manufacturer in the assembly and production of complete firearms will include the manufacture of these firearms in their own report. Separate frames or receivers, actions, or barreled actions are to be included in this report when they are exported or disposed of in commerce to a person other than a licensed manufacturer.

Examples:

If you manufacture and sell a firearm to a non-manufacturer, you are to report it in the year you sell it.

If you manufacture firearms and send them to another licensed manufacturer to finish assembly, and the other manufacturer sells the firearms into commerce or exports them, then you do NOT include these firearms on your report.

If you manufacture a firearms part, send it to another licensed manufacturer for further assembly, and the other manufacturer returns it to you and you then sell it into U.S. commerce or export it outside the U.S., then you do include the firearm(s) on your report, in the year they entered commerce or were exported.

 

[Laketime]

I thought that was the entire reason for the baby lock to appease the state of manufacturing and to come off as a team player

 

[Dave686]

I thought that was the entire reason for the baby lock to appease the state of manufacturing and to come off as a team player

I thought that was done by the Brits when they owned S&W to end federal and state lawsuits, in exchange for marketing and design changes by the company. And then Saf-T-Hammer purchased the company with the intention of incorporating its line of security products into all Smith & Wesson firearms in compliance with the agreement.

The Americans have never gotten rid of the locks.

 

[Laketime]

I thought that was done by the Brits when they owned S&W to end federal and state lawsuits, in exchange for marketing and design changes by the company. And then Saf-T-Hammer purchased the company with the intention of incorporating its line of security products into all Smith & Wesson firearms in compliance with the agreement.

The Americans have never gotten rid of the locks.

I remember my LGS who was a Smith & Wesson dealer had heard that from his rep. It was mostly to appease the left who were just starting to focus on the manufacturers. Being the largest gun maker in my home state of MA , it must be very disconcerting to be eyed as an enemy among such a strong Blue controlled state.

 

[glenwolde]

They missed an opportunity. If they moved to a different city in Missouri and moved manufacturing they could have stamped their revolvers "Springfield, Mo."

 

[6518John]

We have a Springfield Arkansas too!

 

[glenwolde]

For that matter, they could probably get somebody to rename a town "Springfield MASS" with a promise to relocate.

 

[Invictus357]

I wouldn't mind if SW left Springfield as long as the new town didn't have a dumb name.

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ugh

 

[Tex1001]

I would dearly like to have a S&W revolver stamped "Made in Waco, TX".

Edit: or stamped "Made in Cross Timbers, TX".

I'll bet that the quality control would really improve, too.

 

[glenwolde]

If we are going with Texas I think Cut and Shoot would be my top choice.

 

[s&wchad]

I’d like to see them move to Michigan. We’re a lot more gun friendly than Massachusetts, have a large industrial workforce and have close access to steel manufacturers. We have several towns that would make for an interesting address stamp: Climax and Hell!
… and no, I’m not making this up!

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