Where & How do I make my MP15-22 an SBR??

[superfluities]

Several have stated they only have their paperwork on their phone but I thought I read from the ATF site you had to have your paperwork with the taxed item at all times??
The only reason I remember this is because I was wondering if you COULD just keep your "paperwork" on your phone( I want to do this) as electronic files for ATF review but I couldn't find anything saying you could or could not do this??
I already have a trust set up and will be buying a few NFA items soon so I want to know what you know.

 

[sithlord]

Several have stated they only have their paperwork on their phone but I thought I read from the ATF site you had to have your paperwork with the taxed item at all times??
The only reason I remember this is because I was wondering if you COULD just keep your "paperwork" on your phone( I want to do this) as electronic files for ATF review but I couldn't find anything saying you could or could not do this??
I already have a trust set up and will be buying a few NFA items soon so I want to know what you know.

Good read: Do I Need to Carry Proof of Registration for my NFA Firearm in Texas? | Experienced Texas NFA Gun Trust Attorney - Dealer Recommended

Basically, NFA law states that you have to have proof of registration on you, and provide it if asked by ATF agent, to include your trust. A copy of the form is proof. Since stamps are now provided electronically, electronic copies would have to be considered proof. The SPECIFIC clause is from 26 U.S.C. § 5841:

(e) Proof of registration
A person possessing a firearm registered as required by this section shall retain proof of registration which shall be made available to the Secretary upon request.


Second, the article goes on to point out that it is a felony to be in possession of an illegal weapon. However, since we are innocent until proven guilty, even if you showed up at your hearing with the NFA documents, you could not be found guilty of possession of an illegal weapon. Of course, just going to court to prove innocents is injustice enough....

In the case of a paper stamp, I've always been given two by the ffl - original and copy. I laminate the original and keep it safe...

Cheers... Remember, you are not a felon for having a properly registered NFA item.......

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Several have stated they only have their paperwork on their phone but I thought I read from the ATF site you had to have your paperwork with the taxed item at all times??

With the introduction of electronic filing, paperwork no longer is sent as stated by sithlord. It is just an electronic document just like what I keep on my phone & in the cloud on my website. So in both locations, I can bring up all my stamps plus my corporate annual report showing me as president. All I then would have to do is show my drivers license to prove I am that person so listed.

So when my actual paper stamps come in, those that right now can't be done online, first thing I do is scan them & save as pdfs or jpgs. The actual stamp goes in my lock box & the electronic versions go in a special folder on my iPhone & stored on my website.

 

[BigWaylon]

Similar to the discussion above...

The Form 1 says: Proof of Registration: This approved application is the registrant's proof of registration and it shall be made available to any ATF officer upon request.

The Form 4 says: Proof of Registration: This approved application is the registrant's proof of registration and it shall be made available to any ATF officer upon request.

Neither of those say immediately, on the spot, etc. Simply that they must be provided upon request. That's why a lot of people don't carry them on their person. They're tax forms, and aren't anybody else's business other than an ATF agent. There's also no statute that says the trust has to be with you.

The laws at a state level are a whole different situation. As is playing the "game" at a private/public range that you want to shoot at. You either follow their rules, or shoot elsewhere.

Carrying, and showing it, may make things easier...but not doing so is not illegal in most instances.

 

[ken158]

Similar to the discussion above...

The Form 1 says: Proof of Registration: This approved application is the registrant's proof of registration and it shall be made available to any ATF officer upon request.

The Form 4 says: Proof of Registration: This approved application is the registrant's proof of registration and it shall be made available to any ATF officer upon request.

Neither of those say immediately, on the spot, etc. Simply that they must be provided upon request. That's why a lot of people don't carry them on their person. They're tax forms, and aren't anybody else's business other

than an ATF agent. There's also no statute that says the trust has to be with you.

The laws at a state level are a whole different situation. As is playing the "game" at a private/public range that you want to shoot at. You either follow their rules, or shoot elsewhere.

Carrying, and showing it, may make things easier...but not doing so is not illegal in most instances.

BigWalon is absolutely correct with the understanding that some states may require some sort of permit that will go along with your NFA form. Since I am in VA, I must have my state issued MG permit with me when the toys are out of the safe. Now, the easiest remedy is to have a copy of every form in the vehicle you transport in and I also keep copies in the cases I carry the guns in. Have had NFA items for over 30 years and never been asked to see a form.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Same as Ken. Copies in the truck and range bags.

 

[dullh]

I carry shrunken, laminated copies of all my F1's and F4's in a small folder that fits perfectly in the bottom of my range bag. I have never been asked to produce them, but would do so if requested by range staff, an LEO or ATF agent. I do this because I'd rather pony up the forms then get into a big urinating contest with pertinent people, especially those who could make life real inconvenient for me for a spell...

 

[superfluities]

Thanks for all your reply's. Sounds like keeping a copy of my paperwork with nfa items may save me a trip to the pokey if I run into that one rooky cop that doesn't know what a class 3 weapon is.

 

[jandbj]

Another handy thing about the 15/22....

That storage compartment in the non functional buffer tube is the perfect place to store a copy of the forms for the SBR & suppressor. That way there's always a set of forms for the trustee when they have the gun on the range. Still keep copies of the trust & forms on the kindle app in my phone and a thumb drive in the usual range bags but really love the on board storage of the 15/22.