Where is Rick Jamison???

[dennis40x]

My final thoughts on this subject if one questions ethics/ethical behavior then the same scrutiny applies to Jamison, Winchester, and Jamison's employer of the firearms trade. That approach would be fair, balanced, and impartial.

 

[Noah Zark]

Originally posted by Wickahoney:
Apparently I'm an old fart. The Short Mags and Jamisons cases based on the Jeffery and Rigby cases were nothing new.

Read the PO Ackley books. There is very very little NEW in reloading. The only reason they worked different or offered anything new this time around was that there were powders avaialable that hadn't origanaly existed when first designed.

THe 25-06 was wildcatted about 20 minutes after the 30-06 was introduced. It just didn't work all that well as a overbore case till the advent of the slow burning powders. There was a point in time when IMR 3031 was "slow"

Absolutely agree. Ackley and others were poking around with "short magnums" for some time but only lacked the ultra-slow powders to do it.

What the heck did he think was going to happen when he attacked the industry that was resposable for him being employed? Certainly he has the right to protect/enforce his rights.

By the same token doesn't Winchester, Remington etc have the right to decide who they want to spend their advertising dollars with?

"You don't bite the hand that feeds you."

Noah

 

[RidgwayCO]

That's the problem when you feel strongly about something. You can fall on your saber, but you can only do it once...

 

[Peter M. Eick]

While I cannot really comment on who is in the right here, I can comment on patents.

Right now I am in a prolific period for me of invention and my company is supporting me by recognizing the patent and patent-ability of my inventions. Last time I checked, I have 1 patent granted, 21 into the patent office for review, 5 new inventions that are to be written up for patents and 2 new invention ideas submitted to legal for a review of patent-ability.

I bring all of this up because we now have folks that are starting to recognize our ideas and using them. I am kind of irked that they basically just took my invention and used it with no comments or even a thanks to me. So we met with legal on friday and we go to higher legal on monday. I expect that by friday someone will be getting some legal 'nasty-grams".

For this reason I can actually sympothise with Jamison. When you have that nice plaque on the wall from the patent office and you see others using your patent with no recognition, then it just irritates you.

I can see why and how come he did it.

The question is will the patent hold or will it be revoked. Obviously Winchester and others believed it would hold or it might hold and decided to pay off.

 

[pbslinger]

Besides the prior art issue, it appears there is a difference between normal proprietory cartridges and Jamison's patent. Most proprietory cartridges have a specific set of dimensions.

Jamison's patent seems to rely on cartridge ratios which covers a lot of ground. This also makes his patent appear not to be an original idea.

 

[hf1960]

If I may ask, He has gained what out of this, other than his own unemployment?

 

[pbslinger]

The details of the settlement between Jamison and Winchester aren't public. It may be that he didn't get a bunch of money, just an implication that his patent is sound.

 

[358 Daniels]

Rick - what a POSitve he is

Jam is on didn't invent anything - not a concept nor a cartridge case. But he did do a good job of getting a very general patent in for what may people have been doing for years - wildcatting onto short fat cases. He is to be admired in the same manner as Johnnie Cochran is for getting OJ off. (The patent office is the jury).

His next 6 of 7 patents are all along the same lines - patents on cartridge types, short/very short, and guns that go with them. This puts Jam is on into another category - part weasel, mostly used butt wipe and part lawyer. Grabbing at all things shorter and fatter than a 30-06, mine all mine I say. What the heck is he thinking? "I don't need friends in the shooting community when I have money"? Here is where the settlement money went too - further shafting other people. Word up the patent sufficiently and hey, you owe me money, I invented the internet.

Short fat cases have been more popular to develop since the internal ballistics of the .22 and 6mm PPC were understood. As one of very many wildcatters who looked at and built on short fat cases, I really despise his actions and question his motivations. (not really > $$ + big head). He has done nothing in the interests of the general shooter since his first patent.

Fortunately it does not affect my aim when shooting a short-action rifle using a old wildcat that probably fits within one of Jam is on's well crafted patents. It actually makes it more satisfying.

Oh, and hello S&W forum members

Cheers
358 Daniels

 

[whelenshooter]

I kinda get a kick out of Ruger who said, "Well the heck with you then, we won't chamber Winchester Short Magnum cartridges. Rather than pay you royalties, we'll just make our own short cartridges based on our own (and Hornady's) .375 Ruger and we will call them Ruger Compact Magnums." They are a big enough outfit to make enough guns that an ammunition company can chamber for their cartridges and make money.

 

[Centenniel]

One of his books, the Rifleman's Handbook is still available. While not a reprint of his articles, it is an excellent book that covers a wide variety of rifle related topics. I got mine through Amazon. Highly recommended.

 

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