Where to get a part Mod3?

[mmaher94087]

I do not have an extracter gear/cam/ratchet ring, but, someone on this forum might have one.. if you could photograph the part you need then it might jog someone's memory. Nice pix of the blue NM#3 and holster by the way. Mike #283

 

[ebeeby]

In looking at the blued pistol, I see a "star" stamped between the lock-up lugs. Does this indicate a factory re-finish?

 

[ebeeby]

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy162/ebeeby2010/Guns/No3ratchetandrod_zpsf8e34b97.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy162/ebeeby2010/Guns/Ratchetforsale_zpsbd4f5d56.jpg

I'm beginning to figure this out. The blued pistol with the broken ratchet does NOT have a no1 or no2 broken ratchet. It has a broekn ratchet and is missing the "gap filler" pieces shown in the photo of the ratchet and op rod from my working no3. The other photo is of ratchets for sale that are advertised as No1 or No2. BUt I think they are exactly the same except that the hole insert and "gap filler" pieces are absent.

 

[equine]

Hi again,
I guess I should have told you he had the gears miss-labeled. When the post on GB was first done he had some no.1 and no.2 gears mixed in with the 3rd gears. Needless to say the older parts went first.
The gear you showed that came from your gun is a 3rd. If you get a copy of Dave Chicoine's book Sixguns of the old west. He has excellent parts pictures and descriptions of the parts in the American and Russian revolvers. I have made several parts from the how to section of his book and have had some dealings with him through buying parts and having him inspect some of my work that I could not get much information on such as the pawls for the no1 and no2 Americans.
Also if you take a look at his web sight he has some old parts breakdowns that you can look at. Not as good as the book as the breakdowns are for the person that has been working on the guns for some time.
As I currently have 6 on my bench right now I am parting back together I have been keeping my eye on GB for parts. At this writing I am closing in on getting done with recreating the early ratchet for my OOM Russian's. As with most guns of this era I am now in the mode of making the last hard to get parts not buying them. Good luck and I will try and keep up with your post and answer any questions that I can. By the way I am not an expert by any means just a person that has gotten into the mode of fixing old guns for fun and I am big into the S&W American and Russian models .
KR

 

[equine]

I just clicked to something you said in your last post. The hole in the center has what is called a bushing in it. I am needing to make some soon so I can make you one at the same time. There is not much to the bushing it is 3/8 OD. with a hole in the center for the pivit pin. Can't remember the size right now and I am at work so I can't run to the shop and measure it. It is no longer being used on the reproductions however I would put one in an original.
KR

 

[ebeeby]

I have the bushing.

But are you saying that the GB parts are no3 parts (he has 2 of them) ?

 

[equine]

The add I pointed you to on GB was for the .44 russian gear third model. He had some first and second gears at one time however he sold them. The add is about a year old and he had around ten gears when he started.
The .44 gear is larger than the .38/.32 gear that looks the same. As he has some of each he should know the differance. If you want write and ask him if you can return it if it is the wrong size. I have bought a lot of parts from this seller in the last year and he is good to deal with.

Good luck
KR

 

[ebeeby]

He insists, via email, the gears he has are for no1 and no2. The photo sure looks correct though.

 

[equine]

Hi,
I did a quick look up in Sixguns of the old west and found we were both wrong. It is a type 4 pawl. It was used in the early new model No3. I have included a page form Dave's book for you to look at it shows all the different types that were used in the Russian. As to the seller on GB you could ask him to measure the pawl if you would like to make sure it is the right dia. It should be somewhere in the .957 OD and .155 thick. If it is I don't care what he calls it is right. I did open up a gun I just got this week and it has the later pawl in it with the hook and latch assembly. I am not sure if it is the same latch however if it is I have a pattern to make one from if you wish. I generally just charge shop time on things like that as there is almost no material involved. I would guess it to be about 2 to 3 hours of hand work. However I warn you this is a hobby for me and I do the work as the mood and time permit.
KR

 

[ebeeby]

I have sent you a PM

 

[1869]

Most of the refinished guns that I have seen have been permanently ruined as far as finish goes, although as "shooters",they have some value. Work like Chicoine's is not common, and no matter how excellent, lacks originality. I am a big fan of Dave's, and I don't believe he would do refinish work on any old Smith unless to improve on an already needy situation. Real quality work also don't come cheap.