Where to go for trigger jobs?

Well, having gone through all this, I saw only a couple 2-3 that wouldn't take a lot of time away from your gun---and likely cost you more than a little bit of money.

Here's what I did with a certified BEATER---4" M&P my father-in-law bought new in 1920, and carried daily in the hip pocket of his overalls for a mere 60-65 years. Oh!---and it had a 22 lb. double action trigger pull---thanks to a rebound slide spring apparently selected by a Bubba somewhere along the line based solely on the fact it would fit in the hole.

Given the desire to develop my point and shoot skills, and not even remotely inclined to use any of the guns in my collection, I got this relic out and headed for Brownells' web site. I'd had a Master Grade conversion done by Wilson Combat some years ago---for MEGA dollars, and figured any do-it-yourself stuff they might have would for sure be worthwhile.

As luck would have it, I stumbled upon a "spring kit" from Jerry Miculek before I came upon anything from Wilson---and a little voice said, "You know, if ANYBODY knows how to make a S&W better, that right there is what you're after!!"

So after maybe $20 combined with a few moments time, I'd stuffed this kit into my beater---and NOTHING would move! This kit comes with instructions, but after being in and out of some 200+ S&W revolvers in the past 60+ years, there's certainly no need to bother with instructions---or is there?

After I'd sat and stared for a bit, I decided it wouldn't hurt to see what he had to say. That was a wise move! Everything did what it was supposed to do the second time around-------and it did it just as slick as snot---with a 7 lb. D.A. trigger pull.

As an aside worth noting, Miculek's kit allows you to select whatever trigger pull you want---with the proviso you don't go below 7 lbs., lest your gun won't go bang---and he recommends the use of Federal ammo/primers at that level. ALL that good stuff is IN THE INSTRUCTIONS----READ 'EM!! (I didn't have any Federal---and WW works too.)

Now, there was mention of a J frame up above. I don't know who all might do kits for a J frame, but if either Miculek or Wilson has them, you could do worse. And if you do, do worse, don't sweat the small stuff! These kits are dirt cheap, so try, try again---with somebody else's.

Now I'm not knocking anybody's mega-buck "action job", but I'm hard pressed to imagine anything better/smoother/slicker than this old relic with a couple of new springs in it!

Ralph Tremaine

And a belated word or six or eight about lubrication: There are exactly three things worth talking about that move under the sideplate---trigger/hammer/rebound slide. The other thing that moves is the cylinder. It revolves about an axle---for lack of a better word.

ONE drop of a light oil on each of the trigger and hammer stud is it. A wee bit of GOOD grease smeared under and in back of the rebound slide is it.

The cylinder bore that revolves about the yoke axle is smooth---as is the yoke axle. No lubrication is required---nor desired----unless you wish to retain each and every bit of crud that finds its way in there.
 
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I agree with replacing the rebound spring…making sure there are no high spots on frame or side plate rubbing …You need to have .001-.002 endshake and at least .004 barrel to cylinder gap and no burrs on yoke tube. …
I have also messed with mainsprings both coil and flat, but it is always best to error way on the side of reliable over light. Smooth is far and away more important than light. You better off working one of those grip exercising deals then chasing the lightest trigger possible.


I agree with what Jim has to say about cleaning burrs, high spots, flat surfaces, adjusting the rebound spring, etc.

I prefer to use factory mainsprings springs even in my competition revolvers but especially in my carry revolvers. I need a smooth pull, not necessarily the lightest pull. They are not the same. Lightening the mainspring is not an action job any more than backing off the strain screw is an action job.

Once you experience a smooth pull, you won’t worry about how light it is.

Kevin
 
About two years ago I purchased a Model 18 .22 LR revolver. There was a point in the trigger press where it seemed to "drag" for lack of a better word. I cleaned/lubed the action to no avail. I shot it extensively but could not eliminate the ""drag".

I contacted Clark Custom Custom Guns. Very nice persons to deal with. Sent it off and received it back in about three weeks. The action was exceptionally smooth. Cost was reasonable. I'm very pleased with them and will consider them should I have any further needs.

Jm2c.

JPJ
 
I advocate for people learning to do basic ork on their own revolvers, simply because good revolver smiths are a dying breed and hard to find and it will only get worse.

I agree with replacing the rebound spring and making sure there are no high spots on frame or side plate rubbing on the slide, or the hammer and trigger where they mate to the stud bosses on the frame and side plate. Also check the sides of the hammer for drag marks from rubbing on either the frame or side plate, a thin shim on placed on the stud on which ever side is dragging will alleviate that. You need to have .001-.002 endshake and at least .004 barrel to cylinder gap and no burrs on yoke tube. IF there is a hitch in the trigger right as it locks up that is cause by a long tooth on the ratchet causing the hand to bind against the side off the frame slot as it forces its way past the tooth. Usually a bunch of dry firing will wear the tooth so it quits. Once it wears down enough to smooth out, the wear slows way down as the pressure against the tooth goes away. IF there is a hitch in the beginning of the DA trigger pull that is the length of the DA sear. I wouldn't recommend most people mess with that unless they are willing to replace the DA sear if they mess up. I have never found the need to mess with the sears on trigger and hammer. Another thing I have seen on new revolvers is burrs on the top face of those teeth. Those should be taken off with a very fine file. DO NOT remove metal from the round portion that surrounds the center pin as that is what sets your cylinders head space. It needs to be smooth though. That and a straight ejector rod and your good to go.

I have also messed with mainsprings both coil and flat, but it is always best to error way on the side of reliable over light. Smooth is far and away more important than light. You better off working one of those grip exercising deals then chasing the lightest trigger possible.

So should I just do the rebound spring if I don't pay a professional to maintain reliability? I think the 686 I'll pay to have done because it's a family heirloom but a snub I might just do the spring and call it good? I do want to learn some basic stuff but after the move I already have enough **** to move soon lol
 
Where are you located? Because if you're in Texas, Tipton Burns in Canyon Lake does awesome work.
 
Back in the 80's I had Andy Cannon tune a bunch of my Smiths. At the time he was reputed to be the best. These days I don't do anything with the actions. Just shoot and dry fire them and let them smooth out naturally. I used to mess with spring kits and would end up with mushy actions and triggers that didn't snap right back. These days if I buy a used guns and someone has messed with the springs, I call Smith and they send me new factory springs at no charge.

I don't feel handicapped at all with factory actions.
 
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So should I just do the rebound spring if I don't pay a professional to maintain reliability? I think the 686 I'll pay to have done because it's a family heirloom but a snub I might just do the spring and call it good? I do want to learn some basic stuff but after the move I already have enough **** to move soon lol

You can certainly try messing with the rebound spring only-----that's what I started out doing---a loooooooooooong time ago! It worked to lighten the single action trigger pull. It certainly had some impact on the double action trigger pull as well-----but my focus was on single action.

The first thing I learned, whacking off coils one at a time, was some's good, more's better, and too much is too much---a nice trigger pull, but a sloppy, unpredictable trigger return. I whacked off coils a half a coil at a time the next time around. That made it take longer before I learned about too much is too much again.

The last thing I learned is there needs to be what I'll call a balance between the rebound spring and the mainspring. That's what spring kits are all about---and they're already balanced. You don't have to do anything besides stuff them in there---and do yourself a favor, and stuff them in EXACTLY like they tell you to do!

You can experiment with more than a few spring kits before you've spent the money it takes just to ship your your gun to one of the pistolsmiths. And I'm not knocking those folks---they do very nice work---smoothing this, and polishing that. What I don't know is the difference in feel between a stock, standard gun with (just) a spring kit-----and one with a spring kit AND the smoothing and polishing. I know the pistolsmiths' version is going to look really spiffy inside, but I've yet to experience the FEEL of their work---compared to just a $20-$30 spring kit. That's because just the spring kit works GREAT!!

Ralph Tremaine

One of the things the pistolsmiths do is smooth and polish the bore where the rebound spring lives. You can't even see that, but you know it's there---and you know it can't hurt. And again, what I don't know is what impact it has on the feel.

Maybe someday.
 
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By the time you pay the shipping both ways and the gunsmith fee , you are better off buying the equipment and some extra springs to do the work yourself. Jerry Miculek has a nice video on doing the work. If you have no mechanical aptitude then just pay the fees and embrace it. But if you do then you have the tools for the next revolver you buy.
 
By the time you pay the shipping both ways and the gunsmith fee , you are better off buying the equipment and some extra springs to do the work yourself. Jerry Miculek has a nice video on doing the work. If you have no mechanical aptitude then just pay the fees and embrace it. But if you do then you have the tools for the next revolver you buy.

I don't mind paying a pro to do a pro's work!
I let my doctor help me with my health, my mechanic fix my car, my dentist work on my teeth.... and a good gunsmith work on my guns, ha!
 
I don't mind paying a pro to do a pro's work!
I let my doctor help me with my health, my mechanic fix my car, my dentist work on my teeth.... and a good gunsmith work on my guns, ha!

To each his own but it is not rocket or medical science . It is really quite simple and fun . But ,I realize , not for everybody. Just an alternative if you are so inclined.
 
By the time you pay the shipping both ways and the gunsmith fee , you are better off buying the equipment and some extra springs to do the work yourself. Jerry Miculek has a nice video on doing the work. If you have no mechanical aptitude then just pay the fees and embrace it. But if you do then you have the tools for the next revolver you buy.

My FFL will ship handguns for $25. Not a big deal.

Kevin
 
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