which one would you get?

The Mk IV presumably ends the disassembly/ reassembly madness. ;)(

Ruger for me. I don't own the MKIV but I do have 2 MK II's. Someone showed me once how to tilt the muzzle up 45 deg and the "dangle angle"
puts the leg in the stirrup every time. Folks breaking off the receiver from the frame every clean are ruining the gun, loosening the fit. Joe
 
Ruger for me. I don't own the MKIV but I do have 2 MK II's. Someone showed me once how to tilt the muzzle up 45 deg and the "dangle angle"
puts the leg in the stirrup every time. Folks breaking off the receiver from the frame every clean are ruining the gun, loosening the fit. Joe

Boy, figuring out that "dangle angle" by yourself the first time is some long process, but once learned, or shown reassembly is a snap.

Rob
 
I agree about the angle and watching closely to drop that leg on shelf where it needs to be. Going hand-in-hand with that is how the mainspring housing feels when you swing it down.

If that housing falls flat/flush with no resistance, you don't have it right. When that housing gets close and only goes flush with a heavy spring pressure feedback, you have it right!

In this hobby/lifestyle of ours, the "re-assembly of the Ruger Mark I/II/III" easily makes the top 10 list of legends/scandals/tales.
 
I have the Ruger 22/45 and it has been flawless. The Victory is just not an appealing gun to me. That said, you need to shoot both if possible then make your choice.

Russ
 
Actually, if you can find one, I'd get a Model 17 with 6" barrel or, if you can afford it, get a Colt Woodsman Match Target with 6" barrel. I won both and they are super accurate and reliable.
 
This is the second time that a Colt Woodsman has been mentioned.

For the record... if you walked in to a store and there were three .22 pistols on the counter with similar prices (Victory, Mk IV and Woodsman) and they asked you to inspect, handle, operate and dry-fire each one, and then take each one back to their pistol range and send 50 rounds through each...

If you didn't pick the Woodsman, you should make an appointment for an MRI and find out if you have a brain and if it's working.
 
Actually, if you can find one, I'd get a Model 17 with 6" barrel or, if you can afford it, get a Colt Woodsman Match Target with 6" barrel. I won both and they are super accurate and reliable.
Just a wild guess, but I'm thinking that a person looking for a Ruger Wrangler is not so well-heeled that he can run out and pick-up both of those classics. :D
 
This is a little like unhappy Jeep vs Happy Jeep customers.


By any method of argument suggesting either Mk IV/SW22, there's a counter point. I've owned dozens of Roogers over the years; have actually had to send back the last 4 or 5 for serious revisions. The last Ruger 22 revolver in fact, was replaced as a lemon. Of the 2 friends with the Mk IV auto, both have had to send back for factory repair.


The oddity of statistics can easily mislead; of the SW22s owners I know, zero have gone back for repair. Perhaps being the singular owner of the model in my rural area influences that number.


Frankly I'm surprised by the number of unhappy SW22 owners in this thread. Maybe they're right. So far, my own Victory is a pleasant & satisfying choice.


Of note, the very same day recently, when I took my Victory for it's very first steel match, I had sudden onset of 'fail to extract' requiring either withdrawn from match, or replacing pistol.


I took the very same ammo to the line in my venerable otherwise reliable Mk II Roooger, and it too was unaccountably unable to extract.


I had to withdraw from the match.


Whatever you want to make of this information, the final choice of buying any model firearm is subject to a lot of personal requirements. What we think we need/want today may well change over the next month/year.



Regarding what's ugly & what isn't, too subjective to discuss. What fits your hand & eye & what you can shoot well, is the final measure, IMHO.


Good luck.
 
I kept my big mouth shut until the S&W 22A or 22S is mentioned unfavorably. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have had a FUN 22S for almost twenty years, it has never failed to fire or cycle despite less than perfect maintenance with the cheapest ammo available, and being my only 22 handgun until recently made every range trip. I write in for the 22S or 22A.
 

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Ruger for me. I don't own the MKIV but I do have 2 MK II's. Someone showed me once how to tilt the muzzle up 45 deg and the "dangle angle"
puts the leg in the stirrup every time. Folks breaking off the receiver from the frame every clean are ruining the gun, loosening the fit. Joe

It's easy to tighten them up. Several methods. One is a beer can shim. Seriously. Works great.
 
i went to my local shop to get a 22lr handgun, hoping for a wrangler but a no go on that. what they had has me puzzled on which one since they are close to price with each other. a used like new, a Smith & Wesson SW22 Victory Fiber Optic 22 LR Full-Sized 10-Round Pistol with 4 magazines for $291.50 otd, the other is brand new Ruger MARK IV™ 22/45 with the easy take down button and 2 magazines for $318.00 otd. which one would be a better deal? thanks
Neither of those deals is so good that they need to be bought

You went in wanting a Wrangler.

So have the shop order a Wrangler

Get the gun you want, don't let the salesman (or us on the internet) convince you to spend your money just because it is in your pocket
 
I kept my big mouth shut until the S&W 22A or 22S is mentioned unfavorably. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have had a FUN 22S for almost twenty years, it has never failed to fire or cycle despite less than perfect maintenance with the cheapest ammo available, and being my only 22 handgun until recently made every range trip. I write in for the 22S or 22A.

RICK, you keep dragging me in, still use and have mine.;)



PURCHASED 3/2000
41 OZ - 5 1/2" BBL CAL. .22LR
OVERALL LENGTH 9.5"
PRICE $ 249.00 SURFACE-STAINLESS

Worth every penny I spent.
 
Have owned a number of Ruger semi-auto pistols. Overall, I can only remember one that was not perfectly reliable. That was a pretty little Mk. II w/ the light tapered barrel. It was very nicely accurate. Ideal for shooting a brick of ammo through in a afternoon. Only problem was it would fail to feed/eject randomly. Never did figure it out. I had bills to pay. Sold it to a LGS. Owner was told of the problem. Every other Ruger pistol has been absolutely excellent.

The Govt. Model would put 10 shots into 1.5 inches at 50 yds. shooting prone. The target models have all been equally capable. My brother had a Govt. Model that had to have some factory attention as it got a bit loose on the frame.

Had a stainless steel Mk. II w/ the slab side barrel that was very nice. It was bought used. Previous owner mounted a Burris 2x scope. Heavy gun. Very accurate. Very reliable. Again, sold it. You know. Bills to pay.

Personally, I'd buy the Ruger simply b/c it is a known quantity to me. Parts are everywhere. Magazines are easily found, etc. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
 
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